Heart of the Matter

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  1. This is a bit long, forgive me, but it's an important subject that requires more explanation than a sentence or two.

    The mind (the grey matter between the ears) is just a processing center, to make a judgement based on input from the five senses. The mind/heart from the scriptures is the DNA in every cell of our bodies. Scientists arrogantly say that 97% of our DNA is junk. That "junk" is our lifetime of decisions, our understanding that the processor (the brain) judges and is sent to the beating organ in our chest which then converts it to a belief and stores it in our DNA, if it agrees with the judgement. Hence David cried out to God to search his "heart" to see if there was any wickedness. Jesus claimed the devil had nothing in Him. Our sins and choices and beliefs are stored in our DNA. The devil couldn't get into Jesus' because Jesus obeyed the Spirit completely (and never had sin in His DNA to begin with.) This is why when the mind believes something that the heart (beating organ) doesn't agree with, nothing happens in prayer.

    Our experiences in life are based on the five senses. As a Christian, that's the "old man". When we become Christians we gain a dormant sense: spiritual awakening. Some call it intuition, others the "sixth" sense and is indeed a latent existence from Adam's sinless days. Or as Paul says, the word of God is written on our hearts and others call it our conscience. We are taught by the world to ignore this sense. Or as Paul also says "searing our conscience with a hot iron." Either way, it is the word of God written in our DNA. It is what the Holy Spirit uses to convict us, to guide us to obedience when we don't have enough information for the brain to decide the matter. So when the brain believes something the beating heart does not, nothing is deposited into our mind/heart (DNA). However if the heart/mind believes, it overrides the brain's judgement. Like "Love is blind". No matter what your brain says the heart takes over without sound judgement! Remember your first love? :D

    It's a process, just like Paul said, to be fully persuaded. So in order to believe God, though our brain may agree, it's a matter of the beating heart that must agree before it becomes life to us and use it. Belief doesn't need to know why. Belief is a strong conviction of a matter. So if we trust God, when we don't have enough facts to support a decision to obey, and we obey, that's trust; that's faith. Like a parent to a child. The child trust the parents to obedience without understanding the whys/hows/whats of life; until they begin to question - and that is doubt, the very definition in the Greek: to cast judgement against a decision.

    Here's an example: The promises of God. The brain may read the words of God and His promises, but the heart doesn't believe it because it hasn't experienced them per se. The issue is a matter of experience. It's easy to believe an ethereal "thing" than a "thing" contrary to the physical. Case in point: healings. The word of God promises them, but because the heart doesn't believe it, nothing happens when the brain makes the mouth pray for deliverance and then when nothing happens - because the "heart" wasn't in it, the mouth declares, "See, I told ya." That's not being fully persuaded. The beating heart must be convinced - the very definition of "faith" - strong conviction, a belief. Because men "of God" don't really believe the word of God and His promises, they make up excuses (called theology) to explain why the promises of God failed -- like "It was only for the apostles" -- ignoring the fact that the 70 got it too. Either way, they don't believe the word of God and live in utter ineffectiveness and unproductiveness in Jesus. Peter spells this out completely in 2 Peter 1:3-8.

    So how does one believe the word of God without understanding all the nuances: faith. Faith is the strong conviction of a belief. We believe that Jesus died on the cross for us to be saved. Joel and Paul said if we call upon the name of the Lord, we'll be saved. That's easy to believe because "1, 2, 3, pray after me" doesn't require change. But true salvation does require change. If someone just spits out a formula without the heart involved, then they're living in denial and going to hell. They could be the best pastor and do all the right things, but Jesus will say "I never knew you!" God doesn't want behavioral modification, He wants heart transformation!

    The measured output of belief of the heart if 5000 times greater than that of the thought of the brain, scientists say. The heart is it. This is why we have the phrase "the heart of the matter". Heart is one of the most used words in the KJV bible. Used over 765 times. Now, if you've lasted this long, reread the parable of the sower. It should make more sense now. The truth (word of God) is given (the seed) and the hearers are mulling over the information in their brains, but get distracted and the devil swipes the seed away making you forget it. Then there are those that accept the word of God but because the heart isn't fully persuaded, when events in the world occur the seed is rejected. The same with those that have made it past the brain and into the heart, but the stronger beliefs choke it out because of their past experiences. Finally, the good ground, accepts the word of God, processes it, sends it to the heart and the heart is teachable and pushes out the belief, over writing the DNA with the truth, storing the belief. With that belief they grow in Christ and bring about fruit and patience. After all the scriptures say that the invisible is more real that the visible, Col 2:17; Heb 8:5; Heb 10:1.

    So the question is, does your heart truly believe the word of God to act on His promises and effect change in the fallen world? After all, that's why we're still here, to reconcile man to God with power.

    Do yo believe these verses?

    Phil 4:13 (KJV)
    I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.​

    Mark 11:24 (KJV)
    Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].​

    Matt 18:19 (KJV)
    Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.​

    2Cor 1:20 (KJV)
    For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.​

    Gal 6:7-8 (KJV)
    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.​
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  2. A very good teaching.
    Yes, DNA; our blood line goes back as far as Adam and Eve. We are peculiar people and bound by the blood of a spiritual genealogy, the blood of the Lamb. Reborn by His blood ( He is loose in our veins), His spirit is welcome in this house (temple body).
    All praise glory and honor be unto God.
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  3. Are you saying the heart, the organ in the chest, can change the DNA in the blood as it pumps it? Or is it a combination of electrical impulses from the brain with the heart muscle?
  4. The latter and the information is transmitted via frequencies. Science is finding that the DNA changes in our bodies, even by our own will. Here's one on the child's blood contains molecular evidence of the parents smoking while in the womb up to five years old! Here's more on how thoughts can cause specific molecular changes in our genes!
  5. Hi @Abdicate,

    I checked out your link concerning DNA changes in our bodies, by our own will, and found it interesting. I know when I consciously allow the assurance which is in Christ Jesus to envelope my mind, and live in thankfulness and praise then peace and relaxation of mind and body is the result.

    In Christ Jesus
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  6. Amen! Just as the scriptures say :)
  7. Ok, just to converse, here are my thoughts as I read your post.

    Regarding Heart vs Mind:

    Physically, the heart is simply a pumping organ. It has been said to be the locus of emotions because it beats faster and slower not only in response to what we are actually doing, but in response to our moment by moment thoughts, which prepares us physically for what we may be doing the next moment. (If you are afraid, your heart beats strongly preparing you for physical effort).

    The Bible uses common things (like heart) to teach about things that are outside of common experience. Like using ‘sleep’ instead of ‘dead’. It is not that those that have passed still have slowly beating hearts and still breath, but that this is a temporary state from which we will awaken (or be awakened) at the resurrection. Giving a descriptive treatise of the state of being dead would not aid in understanding the resurrection, which is much more central to Christian life.
    We all see things through our experience, and much of mine is/was computer science. I sometimes see the physical mind like the computer processor. Our raw abilities and basis of our personalities (raw talents) are like the operating system. How we apply these resources and put them to use is like the computer application program. But, the operation of a computer is more than the hardware + software. It is how theses respond to inputs and stored data that becomes the observed program. Much of growing in Christ is like debugging a program (a task at which I have spent a great deal of time). We replace errant portions of our ‘code’ with better code, more able to respond to our local ‘environment’. The deeper the code (closer to the operating system), the more fundamental and wide reaching the change in us. Thus a better understanding living minute by minute in His power will make a bigger change in the Christian Life than the related, but less fundamental concept of monetary giving to His ministries.

    Regarding DNA:

    There is currently a debate in the genetic circles regarding the ‘junk’ DNA sequences. Apparently, and here I am truly reaching beyond my expertise, there is much research regarding the function of telomeres. These occur at the two ends of many fragments of DNA. They protect the sequence of that fragment, and at the same time provide a switch to turn it on and off. Some of this debate concerns whether experiences can flip those switches and turn those sequences on and off.

    My point is that DNA is a remarkable information passing mechanism, one of the most sublime of His ways of communicating with us. It would seem that if environmental and experiential events (maybe the Holy Spirit?) can do the switching, this could be a mechanism that functions somewhat as you suggest. But it would seem to me that the expression of that change would happen more in the progeny than the individual. But, this may be a physical mechanism for concepts in scripture where the sins of the fathers affect children and following generations, including the fall of Man.

    Again, I must stress that this is more of a conjecture outside my expertise than a statement that carries any weight.
  8. Exactly! We, the Spirit and the devil can flip those switches. When we are holy walking in the Spirit and in righteousness, we can flip them. When we sin, it gives the devil the legal right to flip them. Whatever the terminology, the scriptures are clear: the effects of prayer and faith changes physical things, one need only to believe.

    Matt 8:13 ... as thou has believed, so be it done unto thee...
    Mark 5:26 ... be not afraid, only believe...
    Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thous can believe, all things are possible to hm that believes.
    Mark 11:23-25 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them]. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

    John 3:12 (KJV)
    If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?
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  9. Way over my heard!
  10. The DNA route to explain spiritual truths is a dead end .
    The heart that beats the blood around the body is not the" heart " that scriptures speak of.
    Man is a tri-part being.
    The body is the outer court . and there is an "inner man" which is expressed through the body.
    We need to get our theology fr0m scripture .Not the world .
    if we dont we will beget confusion rather than clarity .

    God demands that "we speak the truth in the inner man " not just with our lips of the outer man.,
    "They praise me with their lips but their heart is far from me"
    The heart of the body has only one function to pump blood around the body .It does not praise God or only in so far as it does that for which it was created for .
    "The heart of man is desperately wicked and dec0ietful above all else and who can know it ?"
    Is clearly NOT speaking about that heart.

    in Christ
  11. What does it portend then, when scientists figure out, God allowing, how to manipulate DNA strands?
    Could that day bring to fruition the mark of the beast within DNA?
  12. Hello @Abdicate,

    What comes to my mind is the pregnant pause at the end of Genesis 3:22, and before the actions that followed in verses 23 and 24.

    Where is mankind heading with his knowledge! God knew.

    In Christ Jesus
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  13. Continued attempt of the devil to change God's image, Gen 3:15. It happened before and the flood came. It's happening right now and fire is coming.
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  14. No problem brother. I don't watch TV much so I read and study a lot. Man never thought he could fly but it never stopped some from trying. Finally man learned a new law - aerodynamics. The more we learn the more we understand. I'm so very excited with the discoveries by man lately. Even with their hatred towards God, He still reveals Himself to them and in their ignorance allows people like me to interpret their findings giving God all the glory! We call it DNA. We don't know what God calls it, but we both agree: it's information He put there and where He wrote His word. Understanding it's nuances is just like fractals! The more you dig in, the more you find with the field of discover just as large as when before we discovered anything. It's sooooooo cool! Did you know scientists found faith!? They just don't know it, but they've confirmed it :D
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  15. My prayers and any mans prayers in of and by themselves do nothing.
    We of ourselves cannot move a micron by our prayers.
    It is GOD answering our prayers "that doeth the work"
    and He will NOT answer any prayer" we ask amiss"
    and it mattered not if 10,000,000 people fasted and prayed for a thing that God was not willing to give .Nothing would happen.
    Nor does the same MAKE God do anything as if he was unwilling to give it.
    If we are true BORN children of God of the water (Word ) and the Spirit we are not to be flipping on and off at all.
    We are CRUCIFIED ............................WITH.........................CHRIST.
    A seed is consistent with itself .
    Of what seed are you then? Or of what SORT?
    If ye are of a corruptable seed which is of the first Adam. Then you are a sinner and will do what is right in your own eyes and ultimately are serving the devil.
    If you are BORNagain ye are of an inccoruptable seed and will do what is right in Gods eyes and serve God.
    There is the law of the seed. That every seed will bring forth fruit after its own kind.
    How then do you say we can so easily (n so many words) 'flip' from one to the other?
    Do you not know that they who have died to sin cannot live in it?
    How is it then you are deceived into thinking you have power to flip from one to the other and back again and continue to do so?
    Know ye not ye may well flip and not flip back again?
    Do you not fear God?
    When we pray it is not man that does the work. It is God and what then do we pray for?
    For His glory or for ours? According to the will of God or mans?

    in Christ
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  16. #16 Complete, Feb 10, 2016
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    'And the LORD said,
    The people is one,
    and they have all one language;
    and this they begin to do:
    and now
    nothing will be restrained from them,
    which they have imagined to do ... '

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  17. You should continue with the scripture as to what happened next.

    ANY scripture must be looked at in its context and then the context and verse looked at in the light of ALL scripture.

    In Christ
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  18. "A man with no understanding is like the beast that perisheth"

    in Christ
  19. 'And the LORD said,
    The people is one,
    and they have all one language;
    and this they begin to do:
    and now
    nothing will be restrained from them,
    which they have imagined to do ... '


    Hello @geralduk,

    Although I agree with what you are saying, the verse I quote is the verse I want to be considered, in the light of present conditions.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
  20. Right .
    The best definition I have heard for the 'world' which we are IN but not part of nor are to love. is.
    Society organised outside the will of God.
    Thats the definition.
    The example is the one you have pointed to.
    Where God had said to Noah go out into all the world and replenish it . But they wer eall of one tounge and of one mind and found"pleasant place" and lest us stay here and organise ourselves and build us a tower that will reach heaven . (avoid another flood and another judgement) While they said many "let us"
    God only said it once "let us" and scattered them according to HIS will.
    I would agree with you also .The prevailing conditions is of 'tares' beign gathered into bundles first " organising themeselves outside the will of God.
    The EU is the primary example of this. It has even used a painting of the tower of Babel in one of its publications a symbolic of the EU.
    One foolish and presumptious man even said we will finish what they did not.
    God has not changed .
    What he did in the beginning he will do in the end also. But that time there will be no mercy.
    In Christ
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