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What do you mean?they lead themselves to atheism or another 'religion', not the other way around.
What do you mean?they lead themselves to atheism or another 'religion', not the other way around.
Oh, okay. I knew that made no sense.I accidentally responded to you, that is why I edited my post.
Everyone has a choice to accept Jesus Christ, so when you said "Some people are genuinely seeking the truth and they don't get led to Christianity but instead into atheism or another religion" I disagree because it is their choice if they become an atheist or start practicing some religion. God has no fault in the choices made by men. I interpreted you think that it is God's fault that certain people become atheist or led into another religion. Correct me if i'm wrong on your viewpoint, I don't want to be mistaken.What do you mean?
Everyone has a choice to accept Jesus Christ, so when you said "Some people are genuinely seeking the truth and they don't get led to Christianity but instead into atheism or another religion" I disagree because it is their choice if they become an atheist or start practicing some religion. God has no fault in the choices made by men. I interpreted you think that it is God's fault that certain people become atheist or led into another religion. Correct me if i'm wrong, I don't want to be mistaken.
Unless they don't regard scripture in the same way you do. If they don't believe scripture is the word of God it should not be surprising they make the choices they do. But regardless, it is their choice to make and NOT YOURS.Now, as for the OP's title question...do atheists actually choose hell? I think if they really knew what the choice is before them, they would not choose it. They are in ignorance of the truth and out of that ignorance, they choose their own way, which is contrary to God and will lead them to damnation.
An atheist believes differently than we do, but it is not our place to judge them for it. The Lord will handle it.I can only reiterate that I do not believe an atheist really knows the truth. If he could perceive it, he wouldn't be an atheist.
Did you or did you not say that atheists have darkened minds?I don't do it. Never will. See how you have jumped to conclusions?
I think I've already made it pretty clear that I'm not going to get into a scripture-quoting contest with you. You have already shown many times that you think nothing of speaking on God's behalf. And I think I've given enough examples of you speaking as though you are God when you are not.No game. I think it is unfair for you to claim it is.
Romans 12:3 should fit nicely in this situation: "For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned."[/QUOTE]Me, too. However, when you have been asked to provide scripture that supports your opinion, it is only proper to provide it, or at least try to.
If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their savior before they die is going to hell. No one ever said we are judging, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARENT SAVED. Do you forget that we are suppose to spread the Gospel?Unless they don't regard scripture in the same way you do. If they don't believe scripture is the word of God it should not be surprising they make the choices they do. But regardless, it is their choice to make and NOT YOURS.
An atheist believes differently than we do, but it is not our place to judge them for it. The Lord will handle it.
Did you or did you not say that atheists have darkened minds?
I think I've already made it pretty clear that I'm not going to get into a scripture-quoting contest with you. You have already shown many times that you think nothing of speaking on God's behalf. And I think I've given enough examples of you speaking as though you are God when you are not.
Romans 12:3 should fit nicely in this situation: "For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned."
Ok I understand now. Might I give some advice and say, even though you might not understand everything about everything Hunting, when you understand God's nature you don't need to know everything anymore because your questions are already answered by knowing God.I'm not saying anything is God's fault. I'm just saying that certain people that are searching for the truth don't end up as Christians and I don't understand that. It seems like God would pop out and say, "Here I am," but He doesn't.
I don't think he's saying we shouldn't spread the gospel, but I could be wrong. Also, many Christians hold the Universalism view. That doesn't make them less of a Christian.If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their savior before they die is going to hell. No one ever said we are judging, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARENT SAVED. Do you forget that we are suppose to spread the Gospel?
http://www.openbible.info/topics/spreading_the_gospel
Do you want people to go to hell?
Ok I understand now. Might I give some advice and say, even though you might not understand everything about everything Hunting, when you understand God's nature you don't need to know everything anymore because your questions are already answered by knowing God.
Ah but there isYes, it does, but the point being that there are places on this earth where the name of Jesus is not know is entirely possible and you probably won't find Scripture to prove it.
Unless they don't regard scripture in the same way you do. If they don't believe scripture is the word of God it should not be surprising they make the choices they do. But regardless, it is their choice to make and NOT YOURS.
An atheist believes differently than we do, but it is not our place to judge them for it. The Lord will handle it.
Did you or did you not say that atheists have darkened minds?
I think I've already made it pretty clear that I'm not going to get into a scripture-quoting contest with you. You have already shown many times that you think nothing of speaking on God's behalf. And I think I've given enough examples of you speaking as though you are God when you are not.
Romans 12:3 should fit nicely in this situation: "For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned."
What do you mean? I wasn't being condescending if that is how you feel, I was just saying something that I thought might be nice to hear. Maybe "advice" was the wrong word, i'm sorry if my message somehow offended you, that wasn't my intention. I will mention though that it feels to me like you are quick to jump to being defensive over things that aren't meant to be insulting, like my earlier post when it was pretty obvious I had accidentally responded to you, or how you've been talking to Euphemia earlier in this thread, or how a simple thing I say leads you to ask why "people feel the need to say things like this when I disagree with them".I don't think he's saying we shouldn't spread the gospel, but I could be wrong. Also, many Christians hold the Universalism view. That doesn't make them less of a Christian.
I know I don't, and never will, know everything. Why is it that people feel the need to say things like this when I disagree with them?
What do you mean? I wasn't being condescending if that is how you feel, I was just saying something that I thought might be nice to hear. Maybe "advice" was the wrong word, i'm sorry if my message somehow offended you, that wasn't my intention. I will mention though that it feels to me like you are quick to jump to being defensive over things that aren't meant to be insulting, like my earlier post when it was pretty obvious I had accidentally responded to you, or how you've been talking to Euphemia earlier in this thread, or how a simple thing I say leads you to ask why "people feel the need to say things like this when I disagree with them".
The spiritual man judges all things 1 Cor 2:15. The spiritual man knows we don't pass judgment on the unsaved 1 Cor 5:13 as they don't know any better 1 Cor 15:10.I can give you plenty, but I've seen what you do with them. I've already been told that "Judge not, lest ye be judged" doesn't apply to you because you are giving a "righteous judgement". Twisting scripture does no one any good, so it is pointless to quote it.
Are you saying it is them that darkened or they are handed over to a reprobate mind and not God that literally darkened their minds? Eph 4:18 that you quoted is just saying their minds are dark.People's minds have been darkened.
I question your methods. I am a Christian myself and what you call helping the unsaved I call annoying and proselytizing. Do you appreciate having Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your door to give you THEIR version of Christianity?If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their savior before they die is going to hell. No one ever said we are judging, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARENT SAVED. Do you forget that we are suppose to spread the Gospel?
http://www.openbible.info/topics/spreading_the_gospel
Do you want people to go to hell?
I have no problem with people spreading the gospel, but so many distort it and infuse their own prejudices and so forth that it often ends up coming out as a bit of a hodgepodge.I don't think he's saying we shouldn't spread the gospel, but I could be wrong.
You just don't see that you're casting judgments left and right here. You are judging people to have hardened and darkened hearts merely because they disagree with you. When I disagree with someone, it's a disagreement. With you, you're right and the other person's been deceived by Satan. And you don't see anything wrong with this picture?God reveals Himself in and through scripture. Men's hardened hearts keep them from Him. I don't claim to have the right to make people's choices for them, so your remark about that is inane.
I have absolutely no idea what state they're in! It could be anything at all. What I know is that it's their choice, they've made it, maybe for good reasons, maybe for bad reasons, maybe for no reasons at all. That is their right. I don't judge. Who is to say they're in error? Again, we are not God.We can certainly judge that they are in error. Their minds are darkened by the evil one. They certainly aren't enlightened by God, are they?
If I were God, there are quite a few people professing to be Christians whom I wouldn't want putting words in my mouth and speaking on my behalf. You and I have butted heads before on the subject of homosexuality. I am a Christian who believes that you don't choose your attractions and that a monogamous relationship is all that matters and all that God wants, but straight AND gay relationships involving things like adultery and promiscuity are the more serious issues. Futhermore, I seem to have the scientific and medical communities on my side in that one. Here's something to consider: What if I'm RIGHT about that? I could be wrong, certainly. My common sense and human rights side tells me I'm not, but I'm going with what I think is right, and if I saw a gay person suffering I would help them just as I would any other person. I think that's what Christ would want. What I DON'T think He'd want is to have His people screaming in that person's face what a vile sinner they are.If you did, you'd only lose. As a Christian---as with all Christians---we have the privilege and the responsibility of speaking for God. We do that by speaking the word of God and speaking the truth that comes from it.
I'm glad you think you know what you're talking about, because I sure am struggling to figure it out. I can think of nothing more distasteful than to walk around claiming to speak on God's behalf. I have a little more humility than that.Knowing God and His word is not something to be boasting about. It is something we need to do. I think you are merely intimidated by someone who happens to know what she is talking about and so you seek to denigrate. It's only the flesh talking, there.
I think we'd agree that 2 + 2 = 4. Is there any way you could convince your brain that it's not? If a person using their brain and their logic has concluded there's no God, do you think they can convince themselves otherwise?The spiritual man judges all things 1 Cor 2:15. The spiritual man knows we don't pass judgment on the unsaved 1 Cor 5:13 as they don't know any better 1 Cor 15:10.
As 'God is love' said, they have chosen to live a life, believing there is no God. Most sinners believe God understands them and will have mercy and some drinks with them in heaven. Atheists choose daily to brainwash themselves / entertain a belief that there is no God / swim 100% against the current of logic? Why would someone swim 100% against what should be dead obvious? Has to be mortal sin or vendetta with God.
Don't forget Prov 27:6.