how can you blame God for what mankind did ???
and how could God write our names in the book of life (which salvation is based on acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice) before the world IF it was not part of the plan ???
Study that out again. Those scriptures in Revelation did not say "before" the foundation of the World. There are 4 scriptures however that do talk about "Before" the foundation of the World. This is a Calvinist scripture, and I don't think your Calvinist. To say the names got in the Book before the foundation, means there is no such thing as faith. I know you believe in faith, right?
So I ask you to compare how the names got in the book, when the names started get adding to the book.
For if they don't hear, how can they believe. They had to hear something from the foundation of the World to get in the book right?
You have to hear brother to get your name in that book............. Not only hear, but act.
Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
It's those prophets there were here from the "Foundation" of the World they heard, unless they were killing them of course.
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained
before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
(1Pe 1:19-20)
Here is one of the 3 "BEFORE" scriptures. NO, Jesus was already know before the Word begain saying Give me the same Glory I had with you before the foundation of the World, and in the last days was sent to shed his blood.
It does not say God planned Jesus to die before the foundation of the World. Had Adam sinned or not, God made all things for and through His son, Gave him all things and made us joint heirs with him. We were going to meet the son Regardless for everything had been planned in him before the Foundation of the World.
Rom 8:29
For
those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
Rom 11:2
God has not rejected His people whom
He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in
the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
foreknew means "those who would be obedient" ..
the same as "I never knew you" means those who were not obedient ..
Does not mean he knew who would be obedient....... That whole passage is talking about Israel whom he foreknew and made promise??????/ We can do better than this.
What then?
Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for;
but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
(Rom 11:7)
Foreknew means obedient?? NO, NO, NO........ ISRAEL!!!! that Country over there in the middle EAST.. That one.
ixoye_8, Brother, when it comes to the Word, I expect far better from you than this. Raise your standard of excellence as you normally do.
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Good thoughts, but you still don't know the why! You have a few pieces of the puzzle with which you are trying to decipher and discern the whole picture. That's why you attempt to explain away God's foreknowledge with human logic. You believe it was "thousands of years of death and pain": but there is no such thing as time in eternity. This life in which we live is enclosed in time: and just as surely as there was a beginning for it, so is there also an end to time. That is why the lake of fire will be forever, and everlasting. No more time. And for God, "...a day (our time) is as a thousand years...". What you have confessed with your post, is that you don't know: that is all. But very few people do know!
NO, I do know, and am Scripture only. What we don't have is all those wonderful foreknowledge scriptures that are missing. It would have to default to Calvinism, Not Arminasims. (However you spell that.)
God knows man by the heart, not some foreknowledge, saying to Jeremiah that I foreknew you in the Womb and have ordained you as a prophet. God's plan is before we are even born. The spirit of man gets formed in the Womb, not in some assembly line in heaven.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth,
and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Man comes into the World with a set destination, the path of the just, the race. Each man finds that path and runs.
How is it that many are called but few are choose as few will heed that call.
God speaking of Saul that it repents him that He made Saul King for Saul would not obey me said the Lord.
Blessings.
I am glad you are here.. I hope you will listen and realize that the Bible is Gods word.
