Sickle moon and disk/star

It might point back to earlier times with the bastard Ishamelites...son of perdition, son of a ....

hagar was outside the covenant, and though God had mercy on her, she wasnt supposed to have Abrahams child. Sarah was partly at fault here though.
Yes, but who are the Ishmaelite's today? It's is basically the bunch who exiled the Jews in history already.
They come into play again, but Yeshua this time will cast down their sickle moons forever just as Gideon did.
 
Both big on symbolism.
And here is where the trouble come in.
Interestingly enough, the antichrist completely rejects God - like the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit will not come from their lips, they refuse to utter it. The Catholic church still says that before splashing you with water - is it not.
I know the recent PM of Greece, upon his oath, he said something to the effect of "in my name..." Now that sounds like an antichrist, especially since all before him said something to the like of "in the name of God..." So he effectively raised himself above God.
His father is from Turkey, surprise, another sickle moon country, so will Greece join the Muslim onslaught against the world - likely.
 
I suppose. I don't mean to be against the RCC, it is a formidable thing to be up against, but history does say otherwise...many unbelieving popes.
 
emperors became popes.
I don't want to say too much cos ppl on here may be offended, but can research the history yourself.
 
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They kinda both because..the crusades were fought over land. it was 'holy war' but God doesn't want his people fighting that sort of war.
 
I spent quite a bit of time on this, researched quite a bit over last many days , I'm putting everything together still and will put it up here. I will at this point admit, I fancy the chance of Islam to produce the antichrist much more than any other. Whether Greece and Rome will be part of it, I cannot completely conclude.
 
The harlot is the religion of Islam. The beast is the politics of Islam. They are one in the same. Her wine is oil. She's decked out in find gold and precious stones and pearls. I live in Bahrain which is the only place on the planet you can get natural, not farm-grown, pearls. The seven mountains is Mecca, from where the beast rose up out of the sea of desert.

Isaiah 34 and 63 speaks of how the Messiah will take vengeance on Edom and Bozrah, the ancient capital of Edom. Today, Edom is Jordan. Ezekiel 25 speaks how the Messiah will destroy Ammon and Moab, which are also part of Jordan. Joel 3 speaks how the Messiah will deal with Zidon and Tyre, which is Lebanon today, and the coast of Palestine, which is Gaza today. Balaam, the cursing prophet, spoke on this wise in Numbers 24:14 “…come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people (the Hebrews) shall do to thy people(The Midianites) in the latter days.” Midian is hard to point out, but it is outside of Egypt so it is my opinion that it’s the extreme western part of Arabia and southern Jordan along the eastern shore of the Sea of Aqaba. Ezekiel 30 shows that Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia will also be destroyed. These verses in Ezekiel have a dual message – past and yet future.

Now if the antichrist and the false prophet were to come from Rome, why would the Messiah devastate all the kingdoms and nations mentioned above, including all those of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar when He returns? In almost every Old Testament book, any nation marked for destruction is currently Islamic. Up until September 11, 2001, Islam was not well known to the West and sadly, most Christians are completely ignorant to their beliefs. This lack of knowledge is a direct result of why pastors 400 years ago, and still today, believed the false prophet is the Pope, and the antichrist is to be a European. A key to understanding if we are indeed in the end times is the unlocking of the book of Daniel when you read it with the eye on Islam. Christians, not patient enough in years past, have been led astray with this Roman false teaching of the end times, a tactic of the devil to deceive and misdirect the followers of Jesus Christ. Now that the West is at war with Islam – though they do not yet know this – the books have been unsealed for us to understand the truth.

Revelation 17:1-2 “… the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
The waters are many people and nations. What nation hasn’t adjusted their convictions for oil? In May 1908, a British investor succeeded in drilling for oil in Iran, and so the great whore was born. Engineers from the United States, commissioned to drill for water, ended up creating Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, because everywhere they drilled, they got oil. Dhahran was born to support the vast number of American employees and they created the American Oil Company (Aramco). The Middle East is not the place just for oil, but gold, precious stones, and the only place to still get natural pearls (Bahrain).
Revelation 17:3 “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

To the Lord God of Israel, everything about Islam is blasphemous. They worship a man (Muhammad), a meteorite in Mecca they call the “Black Stone”, and their god (Allah) is clearly Satan with the OT name of Baal. Muhammad took the Scriptures and turned it inside out to become the Koran. I don’t know how much more blasphemous a religion could be! As to the seven heads, they are seven kingdoms that John prophesied on later in verse ten, and the ten horns are kings: five are fallen, one is, and one is yet to come. The seven kingdoms were the countries below and the ten kings (Daniel 7:20) were those listed below:
  • Egypt 1 King – 1 Kingdom
  • Assyria 1 King – 1 Kingdom
  • Babylon 1 King – 1 Kingdom
  • Media-Persia 1 King – 1 Kingdom
  • Greece 4 Kings (Alexander’s four generals) – 4 Kingdoms
One is (at the time of John’s writing):
  • Rome 1 King – 1 Kingdom
One is not yet come (at the time of John’s writing):
  • Islamic Caliphate - Ottoman Empire 1 King – 1 Religious System of varying Kingdoms
The ten horns were/are the leaders. When Greece’s leader died (Alexander) his kingdom was divided amongst his four generals so in the Lord’s count, Greece gets a count of four because the empire of Greece did not remain whole. Rome has many "kings" but they were still only one system. Islam, though a non-unified group of nations, they were the kingdom "yet to come", they came, and now they are not, but their Caliphate will re-emerge.

Now I’m going to deviate from the norm concerning Rome. In Daniel’s statue, the bronze belly and thighs are Greece. What people forget is that this “Roman leg” division happened at the "thighs" of Greece, with its division into the East and the West. At the knees, the body splits off into two bones – the tibia and the fibula. I believe the western leg was the political Roman system until the knees. The division into two bones became the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox systems. The eastern leg is Islam, and at the knees, divides into Sunni and Shia systems. All these groups “pray” on their knees.

The eighth king comes from the seventh kingdom and it is this eighth king that will go into perdition. The sixth kingdom was Rome, so the seventh to rule over Israel was Islam (Ottoman Empire), therefore the eighth kingdom will be the rise of Islam. The Caliphate is the seat of power for all Islam, a ruler who is like a president, a general, and a spiritual leader. The position is inclusive. The first Caliphate was Muhammad in Medina, Arabia around 630 AD. After his death, there were successive Caliphates, but in the end, Islam split into the Shi'a and Sunni belief systems that still thrive today. The Caliphate ended in March 1924 with the creation of the secular Turkish government after the abolishment of the Ottoman Empire. Hence, the feet of clay – so mixed and weakened without purity of beliefs. In fact, in Hebrew, “arab” means “mixed people”. Someday soon, the Turkish people will elect a Sharia government, which will reinstate the Caliphate. In an excellent article in the Hudson New York, Steven Simpson writes in his article Turkey: Islamism's Consequences for the West, “For now, Turkey, still a powerful member of NATO, and still presumably a friend of America, teeters between East and West. A ‘neo-Ottoman’ Empire -- like a ‘neo-Czarist’ Russia that appears in the making -- is something that America, the West, and Israel, should take seriously.

If you want more, read my free book http://www.abdicate.net/chronologyofman.pdf starting on page 110.
 
hmm ok I knew Rome was involved at some point or other.
Thanks for explaining Abdicate. but what has this got to do with NZ?
you always on about America and Israel as if they they only nations that gonna be saved. NZ is not even the west..we in the middle of the pacific ocean. What is meant by east and west anyway - where is the compass point? Does it mean Jerusalem is the centre of everything? Cos its marked as 'middle east'. What about the southern hemisphere?
 
Everything east of Jerusalem is the "East" and everything west of Jerusalem is the "West" - including Australia and NZ. In the Middle East, they prefer the term "West Asia". Most languages follow this pattern too in how they write - left-right or right-left, surprisingly. It's all about who rules the world where the focus is. Soon it'll be "East Asia" and the "West" will be India to the USA...
 
Hold on..can you give us a map so can visualise because im a bit confused now. What about the north and south?
 
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