I don't understand what Ken hasn't answered... I think he's responded to all your posts directed at him.
What do you guys think of this passage? I don't think it's been discussed. Jesus is talking to the Sadducees about the resurrection.
(Luk 20:34 ESV) And Jesus said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage,
(Luk 20:35 ESV) but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage,
(Luk 20:36 ESV) for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
(Luk 20:37 ESV) But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.
(Luk 20:38 ESV) Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him."
I'm not 100% sure about what this is saying about the final judgement. My initial impression was that the ones that are worthy are the ones that attain to that age, but where does that leave the wicked? Can somebody explain this?
Well, Jesus more or less is saying we are like the angles................ spirits as God puts the spirit in man and without the spirit the body is dead.
any talk of resurrection is our new body Paul mentioned in Cor, the earthly is changed in to the Heavenly and we get our new body like Jesus had when He came.
Satan also is a spirit (disobedient angel) and His goose is going to be cooking for eternity.
Any talk of dying would be our body dying, for Paul said, Death, where is your sting?
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
(1Co 15:46-49)
And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
(1Co 15:37-38)
So, this body goes to the ground, the trump sounds and we get our body back but it's a heavenly body.
Those that are dead (Asleep) shall also wake in a body to give an account (Death and Hell gave up her dead)
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Some get everlasting contempt, some as Jesus said life with God, or Zoe life.
We are in a class higher than the angels though, so we are a spirit that is in the image of God, and angels are spirits but created servants. We shall judge the angles scripture say.
Spirits cannot perish, be destroyed or killed. I can't stress that enough and have been trying to point it out.
There is another doctrine though................that has not been mentioned by anyone here.
This Doctrine covers the fact that spirits can not be killed, they understand that, but they say instead the spirit just goes back to God and is not eternally tormented.
They base it off this scripture here.........
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Since the spirit can not be killed or destroyed it just goes back to God. I say it goes back to God to be judged and get Eternal reward or contempt and suffering........
they say it just goes back to God, not sure what God does with them if that is the case. I know the unsaved will not be with us....... So I do the math.
blessings.