I can so well understands Peters response.."where else would we go Lord? For You have the words of life" I believe and know that much of this comes down to those who would follow Christ to a certain level or degree and those who understand this is a all or nothing deal, to follow Christ. Win or lose, is not my concern, I have decided to follow Him unto the end and by His grace alone do I trust that I am predestined to be conformed to His Image.
Being a servant of God has sometime carries a responsibilty that might not be plesant to its hear's
According to the Poster............. God knows everyone action before the foundation of the World. To know something is going to fail and cause death, but yet to do it anyway is sin........... God knowing full well Adam was going to disobey him and did not make better provisions to help Adam keep strong. I mean Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith would not fail, knowing the enemy was out to sift him like Wheat.
According to the Post, God just does things, even though God knows its Going to be a epic fail. So the Poster does not even Believe it was Adams fault in anyway because God is the one that put Adam and the tree in the Garden, knowing exactly what would happen. God must be unjust in some way. My Father and I are cool, He does have a sense of humor, and to run on about God Knew, but God did stupid anyway, then post a thread about it being Adams fault is pretty funny. (For me, My Father asked me to be kind and tone it down, I will)
We know by scripture, or at least get a pretty good idea about what happened. God showed me some of this and helped me put some of it together. I mean literally talked to me about it.
That tree of Calamity (Knowledge of adversity) Belonged to God. So did the tree of Life, but Adam did not know about that tree or or the fact it was right smack in front of him. It could be Adam did eat and then when death came, God guarded it.
The angles guarded it, When Adam made his way out. (Thrown out) (Gen 3:22)
That Tree of Calamity belonged to God, as did the tree of life. Everything else belonged to Adam. There is some principle here where God has his sacred things, like the Holy of Holly's where people bought the farm for not entering properly. There are also things God said are mans. You don't mess with God's stuff, its a respect lesson.
Adam should have tended that Tree of Calamity, and offered the fruit back to God. Satan got it twisted around to where Eve Believed they were not even suppose to touch that tree.
Satan was the unseen cog in the wheel. God walked with Adam daily, and taught Adam. What God did not count on is what He found.
Now these are God's own words, so I just have to go with scripture.
Throws off what I use to believe, but I can't change it if it's written.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
(Eze 28:13-15)
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
(Job 2:2)
God places Satan smack in that Garden. Now only Adam, Eve, God, and Satan are mentioned as ever being there. The Garden vanished long before Ezekiel.
It was in the Garden where Satan sealed his fate. The whole reason Jesus came was to destroy the Works of the devil. (2 Scriptures tell us that)
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
(Eze 28:15)
God never planed, or knew Adam would fail. God expected Adam to respect what was his. What God was not counting on was his most magnificent servant to turn on him and mess with God's man.
Now some don't like the fact God said he found something, and did not know it ahead of time or predestined it. However, God never created or planed to make junk either. God created Good and creates evil. However, its the created thing that decides to be evil.
Not God's fault, but Adam for not protecting the Garden.
Be blessed Abdicate, thank you for your respect and concern about my conversation about God. I doubt he thought it was funny, as he asked me to tone it down.
Like another poster said, sometimes it is hard to see what you are saying in some of your responses. I myself have the same problem, that is why I try and reread my post and try and make them sound right, and even then after posting I still have to edit them.
Please allow me to make a comment about a couple things you said here. The first is "Eden the garden of God", and "The garden of Eden" are not the same place, even though they sound the same. Eden the garden of God is where Lucifer ruled, and had a throne. Lucifer's throne was on this earth....
Isaiah 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
Isaiah 14:13 You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north;
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'
Lucifer could not ascend above the "clouds" unless he was first below the clouds, which means his throne was on earth.
Yet he was cast back down to earth as he failed in his attempt to be like the most high God. This time period was not found in the Genesis chapter one account, and is not where Adam lived. Adam was created and placed in the garden of Eden. He had authority to rule earth which God gave him. Adam and Lucifer were not ruling earth in the same time . Lucifer was already a fallen angel in the garden of Eden. There is a lot more scripture, and information about these two time periods which could be discussed in another thread. They are also controversial to many in the Church today. I don't find them controversial at all as truth is never that way. It is able to stand on it's own two feet without any help from anyone.