WELL EVIDENTLY the o.p does not want to reply i consider it closed i love one sided conversations
Patience. Major usually comes through here in the A.M. hours. I would give him at least until noon tomorrow.WELL EVIDENTLY the o.p does not want to reply i consider it closed i love one sided conversations
at this point it dont really matterPatience. Major usually comes through here in the A.M. hours. I would give him at least until noon tomorrow.
Bingo glad to see someone understandsWe are going to sin, at least I am. And its usually the same sin(s). We try.
Is that a valid question?really do you have a different bible than i have ?
Notice the posted words.............."There is no such thing as being a Christian and living in KNOWN sin."see we can have sin in our life.. i know couples living together yet saying they are saved. to farter this discussion. i would have go in to doctrine that creates heartburn on both sides. so we can have known sin .
but yet it is taught yet saved .. mind this i am not arguing doctrine . because i lean in the direction of being secured in Christ. . so it has to be one or the other . yes i have my scriptures to be fair with both you i know southern baptist doctrine .
Paul said something along the lines of "I hate what I do and do what I hate." We are going to sin, at least I am. And its usually the same sin(s). We try.
Its kind of like asking God to forgive you for the murder you are about to commit. God will not step outside of His nature. I know that is an extreme example, but I hope it helps you understand. To repent of a sin is to aknowlege it is wrong and turn away from it.
no i take no offense to your post i am just trying clarify known sin .if i ask a question i really expect a answer .its something i need to examine
at this point it dont really matter
I take it to mean willful sin. Fornication is called out specifically. I am sorry if my post seemed argumentitive, it was not meant to be, nor is this one.
appreciate the reply i understand repent but if we have to repent then that means we have known sin. but i await the o.p reply .if they dont i will move on
i did thank youIf I can be of further assistance to you, please ask!
not a bad reply first i want to cover your I am astonished that a Pastor/Preacher would ask that question!. astonished? i dont go around using the phrase known sin . its how you worded it you say a Christian can not.. but we can its practiced every day couples living together / not married yet they profess to be saved. the church/ the pastor considers them SAVED. SO WHICH IS IT saved or not saved .i am fully aware of the southern Baptist doctrine on salvation : the subject that is forbiden osas osnas that genders strife . even though i lean towards the osas . some area i draw the line on. i have heard jack Graham Charles stanley say . you fall back into sin stay in sin. you still make it just no rewards..So.....you want a reply about what KNOWN SIN is.
1st of all, I am astonished that a Pastor/Preacher would ask that question!
SIN = Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God and/or a rebellion against God's Word!
Now we all sin. Again, that is not something I should have to post! Lost mean and saved men sin because we are all sinners. Saved men are forgiven of their sin. We are sinners not because we sin; rather, we sin because we are sinners. This passed-on depravity is known as inherited sinand many call this PERSONAL SIN.
Romans 3:23.........
"All have sinned and come short of the approval of God"!
Then another type of sin is known as IMPUTED SIN. Used in both financial and legal settings, the Greek word translated “imputed” means “to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another’s account.”
Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them.
Romans 5:13 confirms this doctrine........
"For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.”
Even before transgressions of the law were imputed to men, the ultimate penalty for sin (death) continued to reign. All humans, from Adam to Moses, were subject to death, not because of their sinful acts against the Mosaic Law (which they did not have), but because of their own inherited sinful nature. After Moses, humans were subject to death both because of inherited sin from Adam and imputed sin from violating the laws of God.
Then there is KNOWN/DELIBERATE sin which occurs when a person who knows God’s revealed will written in the Bible or on his conscience or spoken to him by the Holy Spirit, chooses deliberately to disobey.
It can also be called intentional known sin. Deliberate known sin is specifically spoken of in Exodus 21:14, Numbers 15:30, Deuteronomy 1:43, 17:12, 17:13, 18:20, 18:22, Psalm 19:13, Luke 12:47-48, John 15:22 and Romans 7:7.
In Psalm 19:12-13, David draws a distinction between hidden sin and presumptuous sins:
“…Cleanse me from secret faults. Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins…”
The Hebrew word for “presumptuous” here is “zed”. The word “zed” is derived from the Hebrew word “zid”. Zid” means “to be disobedient to God; applied to the person who sins not ignorantly or inadvertently, but wilfully, knowingly, of set purpose…”.
“Zid” is used in Exodus 21:14, Deuteronomy 1:43, 17:13 and 18:20. In Numbers 15:30, the word “presumptuously” is a combination of the words “rum” and “yad” in Hebrew. “Rum” means literally “high” and “yad” means literally “hand”. But “a high hand” symbolically means “obstinate rebellion” , pride and deliberate known sin.
I am always blessed to be of help and I hope this explination does that for you.
In other words... In country boy English, when God says that homosexuality is an "abomination to the Lord thyGod and is sin to be judged by death". then NO ONE can say that that are a Christian AND CONTINUE TO LIVE THTA LIFE CHOICE!
They must confess (Ask for forgivness) and REPENT...(Stop doing that KNOWN SIN)!
i agree %100 and i am a country boy but lets take this a step farther is that the only sin? living together out side marriage can we call them bro-sister and are they truly saved ? this is serious doctrine questionsIn other words... In country boy English, when God says that homosexuality is an "abomination to the Lord thyGod and is sin to be judged by death". then NO ONE can say that that are a Christian AND CONTINUE TO LIVE THTA LIFE CHOICE!
They must confess (Ask for forgivness) and REPENT...(Stop doing that KNOWN SIN)!
i agree %100 and i am a country boy but lets take this a step farther is that the only sin? living together out side marriage can we call them bro-sister and are they truly saved ? this is serious doctrine questions
not a bad reply first i want to cover your I am astonished that a Pastor/Preacher would ask that question!. astonished? i dont go around using the phrase known sin . its how you worded it you say a Christian can not.. but we can its practiced every day couples living together / not married yet they profess to be saved. the church/ the pastor considers them SAVED. SO WHICH IS IT saved or not saved .i am fully aware of the southern Baptist doctrine on salvation : the subject that is forbiden osas osnas that genders strife . even though i lean towards the osas . some area i draw the line on. i have heard jack Graham Charles stanley say . you fall back into sin stay in sin. you still make it just no rewards..
so i ask this which is it. on known sin /willful. understand i am agreeing in parts and parts not . explanation i enjoy a lecture i don't. your insinuation of the astonished. to be honest i find it insulting . plz dont think for a minute i am a novice . if i dont understand how you worded something . i stop ask questions so as i dont misunderstand you. . plz refrain from implying i should be able to understand what your saying being a pastor / preacher..
you never stop learning i leave you with a scripture in
proverbs 18:21
Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit. if i post something some one does not understand .i am more than happy to respond im just not agreeing with the word CANT .i have to many friends that are osas and many preachers on t.v i listen to.. dont know about you but i need all the word i can get reading and listening .
of this reply is unacceptable remove it ..i move on to bigger better things
i did thank you
Dear Major, since collectively we have wandered so far of topic as to need a day and a night to return, perhaps you will forbear a thought or two.Listen......If you worked for me selling Ford trucks, and you buy a Chevy and drive it to work and park it on my lot.....
and I explain to you that what you are doing is rebellion to ME and it harms me because we sell Fords and you say, too bad bubba, I like Chevys and I am going to keep driving mine............And I fire YOU, is it your fault or mine? IS that REBELLION/SIN on your part?
It is MY car lot and my business and YOU work for me!!!!!!!
Good question.Now how differant from than that is YOU and me obeying God when He tells us not to do something and we do it anyway???