Would The Angel find this offensive?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Izabella the Angel, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. Hey Guys! It's been a while since I've been on here but glad I'm back.

    To the point:

    So, I'm starting to plan and write out a book as just a hobby thing. I sort of have a passion for writing books, poetry etc. For the plot and characters, I was going to have it as the angel (who is one of the main characters) in the story kill the protagonist who is actually a rapist trying attack the teenage girl, whom is the main person which the whole story revolves around. I looked up some names of The Angels in Heaven and I came across a sweet angel called Haniel. This angel is one of the Archangels that specializes in Joy, Happiness and protects the souls of Christians. I was planning on naming my story Angel Haniel, but this thought made me very hesitant. In the story, the angel KILLS a human being (a sinner if must be). Would it be very offensive and 'not-a-good-idea' to name my story Angel after the Heavenly Angel Haniel, especially since my story angel murders someone? Would Haniel find this offensive that I named my murderous/guardian angel after him/her?

    I really need a few peoples opinions on this because I don't intend and don't want to offend The Angels, and especially not to gain The Almighty One's disapproval. In fact, I want to dedicate this story to The Angels who help us.

    Thankyou!!!! XOXO
  2. Hello and welcome back!

    Its important to thoroughly consider a book title, after all it is what sells the thing to potential readers.
    In relation to your plot, I strongly recommend that you pray whilst writing and not allow yourself to get drawn in by it; we should not dedicate our thoughts too greatly on the works of the Devil, however, if this is what you want to write about, please do so with great care.
    In reference to offending the angels; no...personally I don't think this will be too offending as there is good intentions throughout the plot and the righteous cause prevails, however killing in lieu of aid and help could be looked upon in a different light.
    If I was writing the book, I would have the angel take a different approach - rather than kill a person who is a sinner; the question you need to ask is, "What would God think to my novel?"
    I bring myself to the thought...only God can judge. Should we make those decisions, that a person obviously doing the wrong thing deserves to die...?
    If you wish to go ahead, please do, but remember dancing with these thoughts can open your mind to other things...darker things. People think it may not...but it can; trust me, I know.

    My point above is coming from a ministers opinion, however an out-of-church member may be able to provide you with another view on this.

    With great blessings and prayers for your novel,

    The Fish
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  3. I would pray big time and seek The Father on this and make sure it is Known that is is make believe. Be cautious for if you do not make it known it is a made up situation and God does not operate like this - you could be spreading false doctrine and so forth.
    God Bless
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  4. I wouldn't. The angels are real beings -- they are real servants of God and have real responsibilities. While writing about angels (even fallen angels) aren't bad, I'm not sure the namesake of the villain should be that of a real servant of God. It would be pretty insulting I think.

    This is why we shouldn't even name our own guardian angels -- as if we have some sort of authority or ownership over them -- we don't.
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  5. The only angels in the bible whose names have been given are Michael, and Gabriel, and of course Lucifer. So the name Haniel is imaginary, and so is the claim of his so-called specialty.

    I think that your purpose in writing any story should be to glorify God, and not angels. When we give such a nod to them, we rob God, and it is a sin.
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  6. Agreed!
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  7. Euphemia in comment #5 is correct. Where did the name Haniel come to you from????
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  8. That's another point. I don't recall a Haniel. This may come from pagan mysticism which is in itself another issue. One must be careful and not get into that sort of thing -- not even a little bit.
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  9. Well, I don't think Izabella is going to tell us so I guess I will have to. I do not think you will like it because it seems to me that once awhile ago you supported the Apocrypha when we discussed the validity of the book of Enoch. If I am misstating you please forgive me and correct my thinking. However......the angel Haniel is found in the book of Enoch.

    3 Enoch 6:1-18 records :

    "Rabbi Ishmael said: Metatron, the Angel, the Prince of the Presence, said to me: 'When the Holy One, blessed be He, desired to lift me up on high, He first sent Haniel, the Prince, and he took me from their midst in their sight and carried me in great glory upon a fiery chariot with fiery horses, servants of glory. And He lifted me up to the high heavens, together with the Shekinah the physical manifestation of God's glory.'"
  10. To be fair, the book of Enoch isn't in the Dueterocanonical books. I believe the book of Enoch is only accepted in the Ethiopian Orthodox church and maybe one other. But it's certainly not regarded as valid Scripture with us.
  11. Then I stand corrected. It was my thinking that the Apocrapha was included in the Catholic Bible from the web sites that talk on the subject.

    "The Roman Catholic Church Says The Apocrypha Is Scripture.
    The main reason as to why Roman Catholics receive the apocryphal books as Scripture is because the Roman Catholic Church says so. Since they believe that the church is the final authority on all matters of faith and practice whatever it says is final."

    Catholicism teaches that Scripture involves more than the canon accepted by the Jews, Jesus and the Church of the first four centuries, i.e., the 39 books of the Protestant Old Testament. [A&W, p.33].
  12. #12 LysanderShapiro, Jul 7, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2015
    You're halfway there.
    The Deuterocanonical books (known as the Apocrypha to those who do not accept it as valid) are seven books that the churches in the Alexandrian area accepted prior to the canonization of the Bible, but the Jews had issue with.

    In short, while the Protestants and the Catholics disagree on the validity of the Deuterocanonical books/Apocrypha, they both agree that the book of Enoch is not true Scripture as it is in neither the Catholic nor Protestant bible. However, the Catholic Bible does include the Deuterocanonical books as valid Scripture, while the Protestant Bible does not include them regarding them as false Scripture.

    The Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical are only seven specific books. But there were about 50 or so left out, not counting the Deuterocanonical books, and about 57 (more or less) with Protestant bibles, depending of course. The book of Enoch is not part of those seven books and therefore rejected.
  13. I would never imagine an angel needing to kill a human. Surely they just need to frighten. If they need to kill they are too late to the party? If the do kill how do they do it? Mercilessly or lethal injection? Jesus died for sinners. That lady raped should have an opportunity to forgive the rapist and the rapist and opportunity to repent. Will you portray the rapists sin as being full measure? This is the only time God would ordain their death. A single mortal sin does not normally equate to God ordering death and an eternal sentence in hell.
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  14. Angels kill via plagues. Its in exodus. The angel of death. Those passed over were spared by the blood of the lamb.

    Also see revelation.
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  15. I have about half-a-dozen beginnings to novels, stashed away in various places, in notebooks and files on my PC. I used to half-imagine that I would write a book someday and have it published privately, for limited circulation. I used to day-dream about where the various stories would go, and I wrote great chunks of my books in my head that have never been written down on paper. My characters were like friends to me, and I mapped out the entire lives of some of them. Folk seemed to think that I had a bit of a way with words and they liked my stuff. Now, I don't write any more. Every time I get the notion to start again, I think of all the novels in the world, and all the hours that mankind spends reading fiction, and really, is that good for them? For unbelievers, fiction is just another distraction which keeps them from thinking about God, sin, and the undying soul - except perhaps in a philosophical way, safely removed from reality in a made-up world. For believers, it takes away from time that could be spent reading the Bible or ministry of the word. Do I really want to add yet another book to that vast collection? In the end, I always come the conclusion that it would be wrong for me to add to that. I thought of writing Christian fiction, but even when I tried that, it didn't seem like a useful exercise. No-one reading what I wrote would really be edified - not as much as if they read the scriptures or ministry. I'm not passing judgement on you, @Izabella the Angel, absolutely not! Everyone is different, this is just my own personal feeling. I should add that I've devoured plenty of novels in the past - I was a voracious reader as a kid, never away from the library. I understand that believers read novels, and I'd suggest that there are worse ways to spend our time than that, though there are undoubtedly better ways - and that's a test for me. I would also agree with what's been said already on the thread, that we need to be careful about what we open up our minds to. My fiction ideas went down some dark and strange roads, and it raises some difficult questions. For example, how far do you go in portraying an evil character? What kind of deeds or words do you really want to record on a page? There's enough unspeakable evil in the world without putting down more on the pages of fiction, even if you are putting it down in order to shine a light on it and expose it. It's hard to know where the line is between that and glamorising evil, turning your character into a likeable villain. It would require an immense amount of skill and wisdom to avoid that, and there's only one book I've ever read which really shows evil for what it is: the Bible. The scriptures show us evil in all its forms in a way that's not the least bit romantic, mysterious, attractive. When we read of evil in the scriptures, there's no shades of grey, no moral relativism. Evil is quite simply there, in the space between the fall from grace of Lucifer and his final consignment to hell, along with his angels and all men who rejected the Saviour. It is repugnant to God, contaminating, vile, subtle, something which has a terminus, an end in final banishment from the moral universe. No view of evil can be as clear-sighted as the divine one, and no portrayal of evil can be as accurate as in the Word. We need to be clear-sighted regarding evil, and we need to be careful about muddying the waters, bearing in mind the unbeliever and the weak brother. Words are powerful, and even what I write here might have an unintended effect, so I need to be careful and wise about what I put down "on paper", so to speak.
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  16. Thanks for the answer.
  17. To the OP. Ive never heard of an angel called Haniel.
    I think...you need to put this to prayer.

    Myself, I dont read much fiction anymore and the only novels Ive read that had angels in them were Anne Rice ones. But I no longer read Anne Rice.

    I am however, writing a story of a girl who ACTS as an angel. Its a tough job and she doesnt want to do it, but she was cast as one. Angels are usually anonymous in the bible.

    The only one with a name that I remember is .Gabriel, although I think there was one called Peniel, and of course Immanuel (god with us) which is Jesus' angel. But not many people know this...cos hes meant to be anonymous!!! There is also an archangel called Michael.
  18. Gabriel, Michael and Lucifer are the only angels named in scripture. Immanuel is Jesus, and not an angel. Peniel is a place named by Jacob as a memorial to the angelic encounter he had.
  19. Alot of research. I went on a few websites and found out that written in this Hebrew Bible about Heaven, I think there was an Archangel called Haniel. A few websites mentioned this angels name actually. But I just like the sound of the name Haniel. I think it sounds sweet.
  20. There is no such archangel. You are allowing yourself to be influenced by fantasy in order to create fantasy, and in my opinion, it is unhealthy to focus on angels.
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