Wages Of Sin?

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No, the "Spirit shall return to God Who gave it", does it not? The Spirit, whether of the righteous or the wicked, returns to God at death. "If He sets His heart upon man; if He gathers to Himself His Spirit and His Breath, then all flesh shall perish together and man shall again return unto dust." Job doesn't say the Spirit waits in Hades, he says it goes back to God, just like Solomon says.

Only spirits who belong to God do that. Eventually even the wicked will stand before Him.
 
If man's spirit or soul is eternal and the wicked will spend eternity in Hell why would anyone need the gift of God, eternal life? Doesn't everyone already have eternal life, after all their immortal.
Exactly. Immortal means CANNOT DIE. Mortal means CAN DIE. "The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE". "Let him know that he that converteth the sinner from his evil way shall save a soul from DEATH and shall hide a multitude of sins."
 
You're welcome to show any place that Scripture teaches of spiritual death.

You are welcome to show any scripture that teaches that the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem will be reactivated and will serve as a place of punishment for billions of people. :cool:
 
Not according to Paul.

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom 6:23 NKJ)

Yes! Amen! That is the promise to those who have the righteousness of Christ, given them by their faith. ETERNAL LIFE! HEAVENLY EXISTENCE! The kind of life offered to ALL but yet those who are not righteous will never experience. But they will exist---just not with God.
 
"scholars" admit? lol no respected scholar among the true saints of God accept this sort of rejection of the truth.. Yes and Mormons have scholars too..:eek:
Adam Clarke and Jamieson/Fausset/Brown commentators are FOUR highly respected scholars that claim Malachi 4:1 is just such a proverbial expression. Don't scoff, research.
 
Really, people are claiming that souls are immortal, if they are then they don't need eternal life. What is the gift of God? Eternal life.

Maybe we forget the Greek Philosophy
So..I doubt there is a handful of people on this forum that have gone far enough into the Word of God to even have a basic understanding of soul and spirit, but pointing to someone else's supposed error does not approve ones own error!
 
You confuse "result" with "process". Does "eternal redemption" means that Jesus will redeem us, and redeem us, and redeem us again and again by going continually to the cross? No, it is not the process that is eternal, but the result. In the same way, "eternal judgment" does not mean that God will exclaim "order in the court, order in the court" over and over for eternity; it means the result of His judgment is eternal.
Were you come up with "result, and "process" I have no clue. If Jesus,s sacrifice was final throughout eternity for the sins of man, then also will be his judgement upon those who refuse his free gift. They will live their life forever with a life most undesirable.
 
Adam Clarke and Jamieson/Fausset/Brown commentators are FOUR highly respected scholars that claim Malachi 4:1 is just such a proverbial expression. Don't scoff, research.
Do they have more Wisdom than God? Never put your life or trust in the arm of the flesh.
 
Adam Clarke and Jamieson/Fausset/Brown commentators are FOUR highly respected scholars that claim Malachi 4:1 is just such a proverbial expression. Don't scoff, research.
Who is speaking about Malachi? and a couple of these I have studied and have some knowledge of and they would reject your doctrines in outright terms! they would brand you as a false teacher and be repulsed at the nonsense you have tried to affirm on this thread!
 
This is blasphemy against the work of Christ, and a rejection of the gospel altogether!
No, brother, common sense. The real blasphemy is assaulting the tower of God's Justice by claiming that He allowed Jesus to render a payment for our sins that is less than what He requires from those who will be lost, IF that payment is indeed eternal torment. God required Jesus to die the second death on the cross - the full blunt of God's cup of wrath without mixture - on the cross, which is the same cup that lost will drink unless they repent.
 
Then why are you arguing that "aionios" means eternal? It's the scholars who make the dictionaries that say it is, not the Scriptures.
Are all scholars born again saints? There are those who will say anything to promote their views. Like the JW,s and other cult beliefs.
 
No, brother, common sense. The real blasphemy is assaulting the tower of God's Justice by claiming that He allowed Jesus to render a payment for our sins that is less than what He requires from those who will be lost, IF that payment is indeed eternal torment. God required Jesus to die the second death on the cross - the full blunt of God's cup of wrath without mixture - on the cross, which is the same cup that lost will drink unless they repent.
Common sense? You mean the carnal mind that is at enmity against God and rejects Gods right alone to judge what is right and just!
 
Do they have more Wisdom than God? Never put your life or trust in the arm of the flesh.
Didn't claim that they are more wise than God. I DID claim that there are respected scholars who interpret "leave them neither root nor branch" (Malachi 4:1) as proverbial for complete, utter destruction. So, it seems YOUR claim that no respected scholars believe that is shown to be not true.
 
Didn't claim that they are more wise than God. I DID claim that there are respected scholars who interpret "leave them neither root nor branch" (Malachi 4:1) as proverbial for complete, utter destruction. So, it seems YOUR claim that no respected scholars believe that is shown to be not true.
So what? These same scholars would reject your ideas and conclusions in absolute terms!
 
Common sense? You mean the carnal mind that is at enmity against God and rejects Gods right alone to judge what is right and just!
Yes, many carnal minds would rather believe the lie of Satan in the Garden of Eden - ye shall not surely die - and insist that the soul has native immortality. But the Bible puts an end to the belief that immortality is granted to the wicked, that they may endure an everlasting, wretched existence in fiery torment: "If any man hateth his brother, he is a murderer. And ye know that no murderer hath ETERNAL LIFE abiding in him." 1 John 3:15
 
Yes, many carnal minds would rather believe the lie of Satan in the Garden of Eden - ye shall not surely die - and insist that the soul has native immortality. But the Bible puts an end to the belief that immortality is granted to the wicked, that they may endure an everlasting, wretched existence in fiery torment: "If any man hateth his brother, he is a murderer. And ye know that no murderer hath ETERNAL LIFE abiding in him." 1 John 3:15
What? who believes that but those who reject the penalty for sin?
 
So what? These same scholars would reject your ideas and conclusions in absolute terms!
My point, sir, is that you authoritatively declared that no respected scholar would admit that "leave them neither root nor branch" is a proverb for total destruction. You are wrong. Again, don't scoff, RESEARCH before you attempt to refute another's point.
 
What? who believes that but those who reject the penalty for sin?
And who says I accept any of you gays as a true "Christian" brother? To this point I see no evidence of the Spirit of truth working in any of you guys who just seem to make up stuff as it pleases you. John also wrote not to even bid God speed to those who teach false doctrine, unless we become partakers of their evil deeds.
 
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