Question on faith

Fish Catcher Jim said:
If you go by this God allowed it to happen thinking then..........The pastor comes home to only find out his loving wife has been cheating and catches them. He gets mad at God for allowing it to happen and gets crocked and runs his car into a bridge. With this thinking God allows things then God aloud this pastors wife to cheat and the pastor to run his car into a bridge.
Wow this would be double minded God who loves and hates His people.
No bad choices in both. Man has authority over much down here in this earth or another words God has put some things into the hands of man.



Jim
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That is the pastor having a lack of faith in not trusting that there is a positive in the storm. That there was nothing good to come out of it, that there was no God in it.
With the thinking that with enough faith in healing, we won't die is ridiculous. Then cancer patients fall into the fallacy that they are dying because they aren't a good christian, and people who are healthy think that there faith is good. Which is straight heresy. Godly, upright men die slow deaths everyday, and God doesn't heal them (physically) its not because he doesn't have the power, or that the men don't believe God has the power. It is simply because we still live in a cursed world that has death in it. The fleshly curses still affect us, but there can still be a testimony in it.
 
To try and get back to the original issues raised:

JohnP said:
I'm familiar with the scripture verses on faith, how important it is, and how it can move mountains. I would like to get opinions on some thoughts, or even doubts I have on the matter.

Praying for something more than once - Does doing so demonstrate lack of faith?
I do not think so, in fact it shows utter reliance on God our Father.
If I have complete faith that God will answer my prayer though, why would I need to pray it every night?
I think the focus here is on God's answer. What do we need to do to have an answer - or should it just be, boom, here you go?
Wouldn't I just pray it once and then have faith that it is heard and will be dealt with?
I actually believe that every prayer is heard, but not all answers are immediate, or we may have already decided what the answer should be before hand.
Is my praying it more than once demonstrating a lack of faith?
No, to my opinion.

Not knowing God's will - If I pray for something, how can I have complete faith that God will answer it if I don't know His will?
1 John 3:21,22 and 1 John 5:14, 15 comes to mind.
But what about that my prayer will be answered? What if it is not God's will that he live a long life? When we make a prayer to God, He does not always answer the way that we would like. So for those that say they have complete faith that God will answer their prayers, what is that based on?
That depends, it sounds like the answer must be the fulfilment of what you ask for, but what if that is not God's will since what you asked for may cause more harm, but you cannot see that it will be the result?
How do you know, using my example, that it is God's will that my nephew live or not?
The will of God should be found in the word of God, so what does the Word say about us having life?
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Sorry, I tried to move the healing bit out the way a bit to get flow of the true issue flowing in the thread.
Hope you do not mind - you'll still have your answer on the specifics in this at the end of the day.
 
Euphemia said:
What about it? Hades is also called "hell". He did not suffer damnation, if that's what you think.
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This is what the Word of Faith teaches, as taken from http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html:
"Word of Faith theology has completely rewritten and redefined the atonement. In WF, Jesus suffered and died on the cross, descended into hell (supposedly the seat of Satan's government), spent three days serving a sentence in hell (where He was tortured by demons), was then born again and released from hell on a technicality.

When Jesus was in the pit of hell, in that terrible torment, no doubt the Devil and his emissaries gathered around to see the annihilation of God's Son. But in the corridors of hell, there came a great voice from heaven: "Turn Him loose! He's there illegally!" And all of hell became paralyzed. (Capps, Authority in Three Worlds, p. 143, emphasis in original)"
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
You sure about that ?: Then how about posting your results and how God showed you these then. I would be most beneficial at that.
Blessings
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Well, I have went on many websites and such, and I can safely say that the word of faith movement is definitely heresy. Here are some of them:
http://doubleportioninheritance.blogspot.com/2011/07/damnable-heresies-of-word-of-faith.html?m=1
http://wn.com/mobile/the_word_of_faith_movement_exposed!!!!!#
http://so4j.com/exposing-word-of-fa...www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/word_faith.htm
http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html
https://m.soundcloud.com/lampmode/10-fal-e-teacher

Those are just some of the articles that I have read. I find them to be very convincing.
 
Arrie03 said:
To try and get back to the original issues raised:


Sorry, I tried to move the healing bit out the way a bit to get flow of the true issue flowing in the thread.
Hope you do not mind - you'll still have your answer on the specifics in this at the end of the day.
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I'm good! I think the first question was easy. It was the second one that opened the can of worms! :)
 
JohnP said:
I'm good! I think the first question was easy. It was the second one that opened the can of worms! :)
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Lol...this is true. You can't bring a can of worms into a thread and expect it not to be opened [emoji14]. I tried that once...even put a "not looking to debate this"clause", and the thread went to over 200 replies of debate lol.
 
Euphemia said:
Oh, really? God doesn't watch over us in protection? Let me remind you that we have many angels assigned to each of us for various reasons. I believe that our faith protects us from so much we have no clue about that is out there which is designed (by our enemy, Satan) to kill or sideline us.

Psalm 91:1-7
1 Those who live in the shelter of the Most High
will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
2 This I declare about the Lord:
He alone is my refuge, my place of safety;
he is my God, and I trust him.
3 For he will rescue you from every trap
and protect you from deadly disease.
4 He will cover you with his feathers.
He will shelter you with his wings.
His faithful promises are your armor and protection.
5 Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night,
nor the arrow that flies in the day.
6 Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness,
nor the disaster that strikes at midday.
7 Though a thousand fall at your side,
though ten thousand are dying around you,
these evils will not touch you.
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I would like biblical evidence of where we have angels assigned to us.
 
Klub said:
I would like biblical evidence of where we have angels assigned to us.
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Angels, carrying God's authority, minister to the people of God in obedience to God's instruction. Angels are always observing or watching us. Hebrews 1:14

Psalm 91:11-12 - protection from accidental injury or harm
Psalm 34:7 - deliverance from enemies (Daniel and Elisha are two examples of this)
1 Kings 19:5-7 - encouragement and succor in trial (Elijah)
Matthew 1:20 -Delivery of wisdom to believers
Luke 16:22 - angel escort service at the point of death
Luke 15:10 - angels rejoice at the individual's salvation
 
Juk said:
This is what the Word of Faith teaches, as taken from http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html:
"Word of Faith theology has completely rewritten and redefined the atonement. In WF, Jesus suffered and died on the cross, descended into hell (supposedly the seat of Satan's government), spent three days serving a sentence in hell (where He was tortured by demons), was then born again and released from hell on a technicality.

When Jesus was in the pit of hell, in that terrible torment, no doubt the Devil and his emissaries gathered around to see the annihilation of God's Son. But in the corridors of hell, there came a great voice from heaven: "Turn Him loose! He's there illegally!" And all of hell became paralyzed. (Capps, Authority in Three Worlds, p. 143, emphasis in original)"
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Juk I thought you did research ? Going to a site on the web and taking what some one says or evern a million people said is NOT RESEARCH. You need to study ther scriptures and seek God.

Now with that said...........those who wrote the article I ask you this
1. what else do they claim
2. what do they say is true and what is not
3. what messages to they teach
4 what does their church believe and teach and so on.
I took a half a dozen at least places from those who wrote articles that was used against pastors and dug into everything about them..........Truth.......I would not follow them to the store.

Do your own research then you can claim this or that.....
Blessings
Jim
 
Juk said:
This is what the Word of Faith teaches, as taken from http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html:
"Word of Faith theology has completely rewritten and redefined the atonement. In WF, Jesus suffered and died on the cross, descended into hell (supposedly the seat of Satan's government), spent three days serving a sentence in hell (where He was tortured by demons), was then born again and released from hell on a technicality.

When Jesus was in the pit of hell, in that terrible torment, no doubt the Devil and his emissaries gathered around to see the annihilation of God's Son. But in the corridors of hell, there came a great voice from heaven: "Turn Him loose! He's there illegally!" And all of hell became paralyzed. (Capps, Authority in Three Worlds, p. 143, emphasis in original)"
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That's just nonsense.
 
Juk said:
Well, I have went on many websites and such, and I can safely say that the word of faith movement is definitely heresy. Here are some of them:
http://doubleportioninheritance.blogspot.com/2011/07/damnable-heresies-of-word-of-faith.html?m=1
http://wn.com/mobile/the_word_of_faith_movement_exposed!!!!!#
http://so4j.com/exposing-word-of-fa...www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/word_faith.htm
http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html
https://m.soundcloud.com/lampmode/10-fal-e-teacher

Those are just some of the articles that I have read. I find them to be very convincing.
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Websites are a dime a dozen and only say what the people who run them think. What you've done is NOT research, but you've made a minor foray into the court of public opinion.
 
Euphemia said:
That's just nonsense.
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Euphemia said:
Websites are a dime a dozen and only say what the people who run them think. What you've done is NOT research, but you've made a minor foray into the court of public opinion.
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I see that this is just going to turn into another petty argument (I'm not surprised) so I am just going to stop right here. Believe what you want, I'll believe what I want. It's not like it was going to change anyway. Goes for everyone who I was talking to about this topic as well. Sorry OP for messing up your thread.
 
Wow! Ok all, please keep it civil. Can we stick to the word of God and see where it leads us and no slapping on labels or defending them? Mature Christians should respond in the love of the Lord with patience and understanding of those not so enlightened. We're all to edify one another, speak the truth, in love. Otherwise, we'll just keep hashing out men's ideas, and maintaining 41,000 "christian" denominations...

Psalms 133:1 (KJV)
A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant [it is] for brethren to dwell together in unity!​
 
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