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Question for Historians: Giant Nephilites

Discussion in 'Doctrinal Discussions' started by Melizza, Sep 1, 2016.

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  1. I've been reading Genesis again and in Genesis 4:6 it says.....

    "4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." - KJV

    "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." - English Translation

    "In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times." - NLT

    So my questions are:
    1. Where did these Giants come from (as they're not mentioned in the Creation?)
    2. Why did they have relations with women on earth?
    3. Who are the 'heroes and famous warriors of ancient times'?
    I'm very interested to know if someone can shed some light on this with their knowledge and wisdom from God. I'm aware that it might be that noone will know the answers to these questions but there's no harm in asking. I appreciate the help and information:)

    Blessings.
     
  2. To be honest Melizza I don't know.
    I would be interested in finding out the answers to these questions.
     
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  3. Definitely:) hoping someone knows or has some kind of understanding.
     
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  4. Thanks for your post. It is a great question and my only hope is that the answer will not digress into an argument because there is that group of people who will do just that. There is a popular teaching that the Giants were fallen angels that mated with humans. That is biblically impossible.

    Giants in the Hebrew is "Nephilim" or "fallen ones" and better said..."Princes".

    Mighty Men is translated as "Warriors".

    Sons of God are humans and not angels.

    The main scriptural argument for the Sons of God not being angels is the scripture Matthew 22:30 Jesus describes the Holy angels in heaven as not marrying, nor reproducing after their own kind. Therefore angels whether fallen or not, are asexual and can not reproduce which removed the argument that "fallen angels" mated with human women. It is Biblically impossible.

    This argument proposes that the Sons of God must be human because a sexual union between angels and humans is impossible and leans towards Greek mythology. Since angels are sexless this terminology could easily be referring to godly men (Hosea 1:10 you are sons of the living God ). It is a assumption, when God says “ sons of Elohim” that he is referring to the “sons of Seth.”

    If the argument is true which ways that these giants or Nephilim are fallen angels (Demons) that mated with human then that would mean demonic blood would be in the DNA of the physical line of Messiah Jesus.
     
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  5. Not much that I can say but....
    Saul was bigger then most men at that time and Yet he did not even compare to goliaths size. Check into his blood line.

    Good focal point.
    Blessings
     
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  6. Hi Melissa,
    Hi Melissa,

    The word, Nephilim occurs four times in the original Hebrew, and is translated, 'giants' (Gen.6:4; Num.13:33), As you will know, they appeared immediately before the flood, and 'after that', (Gen.6:4). The giants which the spies saw were evidently descended from those Nephilim that were on the earth after the flood.

    The word Nephilim does not of itself indicate gigantic structure, it rather looks to the height from which these beings have fallen. 'Naphal' in Hebrew means, 'to fall', and the Nephilim are 'fallen ones'. Genesis 3:15 contains not only a promise concerning the seed of the woman but a warning that there would be a seed of the serpent, and that the conflict between these two seeds would constitute the conflict of the ages.

    By the time of, and as a countermove of Satan to Abraham's call, this evil seed were concentrated in the land of Canaan, and the sword of Israel was as necessary as the previous waters of the flood, if the purposes of grace were to prosper.

    Another name given to this evil seed is, 'the Rephaim' (Gen.14:5) which is translated, 'giants', in Deut.2:11,20; 3:11,13; Joshua 12:4; 13:12; 15:8; 17:15; 18:16 and 1 Chron. 20:4,6,8. These Rephaim (Isa.26:14, 'deceased' in AV), have no resurrection.

    I hope to come back again on this soon, Melissa.
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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  7. Hello Melissa,

    These beings are angels, but, 'they left their first estate' (Jude 1:6), for they ,'saw the daughters of men that they were fair' (Gen.6:2). they desired them.

    It was to them that our Lord went, to herald His victory over death and the grave after His resurrection. They are the 'spirits' imprisoned in 'tartaroo' translated, 'hell', in Peter's epistle (1Peter 3:19,20).

    I hope that by reading the references given you will find all that you require to answer your questions for yourself.

    Thank you Melissa.
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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  8. As I looked up this Scripture.....this is what I found

    The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they took wives of all they desired and chose.
    Genesis 6:2 AMPC
    http://bible.com/8/gen.6.2.AMPC

    This Scripture says sons of God...and angels have never been nor will ever be, and cannot be sons of God

    Blessings
     
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  9. #9 Major, Sep 1, 2016
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    I need to speak to something I posted. The phrase ......Sons of God can be understood to be angels depending on the location where it is used.

    For example: Job 1:6..........
    "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them."

    Obviously God is in heaven as that is His home. "Sons of God" can mean only angelic beings which come to speak with God and Satan comes with them. They are in heaven so the phrase can only men angels.

    However, in Genesis 6:4 we see.............
    "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    "Location" tells us that this scene is earth. Therefore the "sons of God" phrase used here is describing human beings.


    Mark 12:24-25 is where we find the teaching of Jesus on this.......
    “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven".

    Jesus told us that Resurrected righteous humans will be spirit beings and is confirmed in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 and will be even above angels as seen in Hebrews 1:5-14.

    Christ declared that the resurrected saints would not marry! And in the same answer He clearly showed that angels do not marry! Angels do not procreate. They are created beings.

    Now in addition to that, context is always the answer to Bible questions. The context of Genesis 6 proves that it was not speaking of spirit beings.

    Genesis 6:3 says..............
    “And the LORD said, ‘My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh’”.

    The subject was human beings, not demons and not aliens.

    This is my opinion and is not meant to cause alarm or discourse in anyone. Some people in their need to read some exotic meaning into the Bible, seize upon the word “giants” in Genesis 6:4. From this one word, they extrapolate the idea of marriages that produced a race of “superhumans.” But read the verse carefully!

    Genesis 6:4..............
    “There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.”

    Do you see it???? The marriages of Genesis 6 did not bring the “giants” into existence. They already existed!
     
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  10. Guess I have some studying to do :)
     
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  11. I got involved in this question about 30 years ago. I was teaching a Bible study and someone brought this idea up. I really did not know a lot about it so I decided to do the work and find out.

    Matt, 22:30........
    "For in the resurrection (The redeemed in heaven) they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."

    From Dr. John Gill...........
    "The redeemed in heaven will not stand in any need of sustenance, by eating and drinking, any more than the angels; nor will there be any such things as marriage, and procreation of children among them, any more than among angels as they too will be asexual".

    It seems clear to me that there will be no marriage in heaven simply because there will be no need for it. When God established marriage, He did so to fill certain needs. First, He saw that Adam was in need of a companion.

    Genesis 2:18 tells us............
    “The LORD God said, ‘It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him’”.

    Eve was the solution to the problem of Adam’s loneliness, as well as his need for a “helper,” someone to come alongside him as his companion and go through life by his side. In heaven, however, there will be no loneliness, nor will there be any need for helpers. We will be surrounded by multitudes of believers and angels, and all our needs will be met, including the need for companionship.

    Second, God created marriage as a means of procreation and the filling of the earth with human beings. Heaven, however, will not be populated by procreation. Those who go to heaven will get there by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; they will not be created there by means of reproduction. Therefore, there is no purpose for marriage or sexual activity in heaven since there is no procreation or loneliness.

    I am always glad and blessed to talk with you sister if you think I may be of any help.
     
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  12. #12 Cturtle, Sep 2, 2016
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    I think the thing that bothers me is that in the new testament Hebrews 1:5.....
    For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Also, God never said of any angel, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.”
    Heb 1:5 CJB
    http://bible.com/1275/heb.1.5.CJB

    So in my mind with that scripture how can we honestly say that some angels are referred to as "sons of God". Being that the Bible never contradicts itself...then saying that any angel is a son of God...would be incorrect, wouldn't it?
     
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  13. #13 Complete, Sep 2, 2016
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    Hello Cturtle,

    The term 'sons of God' is used of angels, see Job 38:7 for example. They are part of God's creation as we are, aren't they?

    This does not contradict Hebrews 1:5.

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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  14. Hello again, Turtle,

    Looking up notes in my Bible, I found the following on the word , 'Father,' as used of God.:-

    Hope this helps :)
    Love in Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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  15. Thanks Chris so very much for taking the time to share your notes with me! I surely appreciate it and you very much

    Love in Christ
    Cturtle
     
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  16. Melizza - you will love the Trey Smith channel on You Tube. He has a very detailed video on the Nephilim and their origins and history
    in the world before the flood...

     
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  17. Thank you everyone for your inputs, scriptures, links and knowledge. It had definately helped me coming to understand Gen 6:4. I shall continue to ask God for His Holy Spirit to guide me in understanding His Word more.

    Bless you all in Jesus' Name!
     
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  18. Well, Hebrews 1:5 is a comparison passage in that Christ is being shown to be superior than the angels. Christ is the one designated as "Thou are my Son" and is therefore superior to the angels.

    Again, angels have been called "Sons of God" because of location as seen in Job 1:6 and because they are of a direct creation of God. But no individual angel that I am aware of has been called as a "Son of God" in the Scriptures. By contrast the preincarnate Christ was designated as "THE Angel of the Lord" which again allow Him to stand alone and be superior to the angels.

    That IMO means that there is no contradiction at all. But that is just me.
     
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  19. If I may be helpful, please ask.

    God bless you are you study and seek the Lords guidance.
     
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  20. I agree with Melizza.....I'm going to have to do some more praying and seeking the Holy Spirit on this, because as helpful and great yours and everyone's answers have been....I feel as if there is something more. Something that God will reveal that just clicks..ya know?

    Blessings
     
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