Predestination

In the Greek of the NT, the word "predestination" is PROORIDZO, PRO meaning "before" and ORIDZO meaning "mountain" or "boundary mark." It is the idea of establishing a boundary mark before an event, something like laying down railroad tracks before the trains starts.
The word is used six times in the New Testament. Acts 4:28 speaks of the Lord's crucifixion and how Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Gentiles and the people of Israel all contributed to God's plan of having Christ die for us. In Romans 8:29, Paul tells us whom God "foreknew," He also did predestinage to be conformed to the image of his dear Son. It is repeated in 8:30 to tell us that all those whom the Father predestinated, He called, and all those whom He called He justified and ultimately glorified. In I Cor. 2:7 the Apostle mentioned that God's wisdom was predestinated before the start of the ages. The word appears twice in Ephesians. In 1:5 Paul announces that God had predestinated some people to be adopted as sons through Christ Jesus. In 1:11 we were predestinated according to the purpose that God had, and He works "all things" according to the counsel of his own will.
 
One of the dangers of "Predestination" is the fact that those who strictly adhere to it seldom actually go out and evangelise the lost. Jesus came for all people (the good, the bad and the ugly). Once we are saved through Christ we are justified and declared righteous before God. God will never leave us or forsake us - our salvation is secure in His hands but as sinful human beings we can decide, after we have recieved the gift of salvation to reject it. The Holy Spirit will always be there convicting and prompting for our return (God will never leave us or forsake us). I am not speaking about backsliding - all of us do that at some time in our walk with God, I am speaking about Christians who deliberately turn their backs on Jesus and commit apostasy.

Our salvation is secure in Gods hands, He is faithful but lets us not use this as license to sin. Let us not forget the warnings in the NT about those who turn away.

Maybe those who do accept Jesus and turn away, where never really true in their faith from the beginning and were never actually saved in the first place - only they will know.

The most important thing to try and do is to live lives which are holy and righteous in God's eyes. Lives that bring glory to His name. Will we always be perfect? No. But we need to submit to the conviction of the Holy Spirit and allow Him to complete the work of sanctification in our lives and transform us more and more into the image of Jesus. If we resist His conviction and leading are we really in Love with God?
 
The only disagreement I would have with you is that from my personal experience and reading of church history (I'm a professor of Church History at a Baptist seminary), it seems to me that some of the greatest evangelists of all time believed very strongly in predestination. William Carey, the Father of modern missions, believed in Predestination as did Charles Haddon Spurgeon who had a church of several thousand in London. So did David Brainard who evangelized the Indians of New Jersey. The initiator of the Second Great Awakening, Jonathan Edwards held to it as did Adorian Judson, who did so much work in Burma was a solid Calvinist who champion predestination. So did J. D. Graves and J. P. Boice who were two of the co-founders of the Southern Baptist Convention. Some of the greatest soul winners of Christian history have been believers of predestination. Such a doctrine never excuses us from taking the message to the whole world. But it also says in passages like Acts 13:48 that only whose predestinated to salvation will accept it--we don't know who they are.
Predestination is a Bible word and used in the context of salvation as in Romans 8:28-30.
 
Not forgetting of course as has been implied above "The Great Commission" :)

"Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
 
The only disagreement I would have with you is that from my personal experience and reading of church history (I'm a professor of Church History at a Baptist seminary), it seems to me that some of the greatest evangelists of all time believed very strongly in predestination. William Carey, the Father of modern missions, believed in Predestination as did Charles Haddon Spurgeon who had a church of several thousand in London. So did David Brainard who evangelized the Indians of New Jersey. The initiator of the Second Great Awakening, Jonathan Edwards held to it as did Adorian Judson, who did so much work in Burma was a solid Calvinist who champion predestination. So did J. D. Graves and J. P. Boice who were two of the co-founders of the Southern Baptist Convention. Some of the greatest soul winners of Christian history have been believers of predestination. Such a doctrine never excuses us from taking the message to the whole world. But it also says in passages like Acts 13:48 that only whose predestinated to salvation will accept it--we don't know who they are.
Predestination is a Bible word and used in the context of salvation as in Romans 8:28-30.

Absolutly! Predestination only speaks to the saved of God not the lost.
 
Romans 8:28-30
New King James Version (NKJV)
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
These terms are little understood. One reason is Calvin's teaching on the subject is often confused with the false teachings of hyper-Calvinism.
Here is predestination summarized: Ephesians 1:4
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
The believer was elected before he was even born or the world was made.
Ephesians 1:5
5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
The following verse is predestination which is God's SOVEREIGN eternal plan by which He foreordained all things to come to pass.
Ephesians 1:11
11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
This plan is UNCONDITIONAL. meaning he consulted no one. He did as He wanted. He planned EVERYTHING,AND he knew the outcome, because He predestined all events that come to pass.
Now here is where people miss it. This eternal, before the earth was formed, sovereign plan INCLUDED MAN'S FREE WILL CHOICES AND ACTIONS! Example: Joseph's brothers made a free will choice to sell him into slavery, but:
Genesis 50:20
20 But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive.
Another example: Isaiah 10:5-12
5 “ Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger
And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
6 I will send him against an ungodly nation,
And against the people of My wrath
I will give him charge,
To seize the spoil, to take the prey,
And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
7 Yet he does not mean so,
Nor does his heart think so;
But it is in his heart to destroy,
And cut off not a few nations.
8 For he says,

‘ Are not my princes altogether kings?
9 Is not Calno like Carchemish?
Is not Hamath like Arpad?
Is not Samaria like Damascus?
10 As my hand has found the kingdoms of the idols,
Whose carved images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria,
11 As I have done to Samaria and her idols,
Shall I not do also to Jerusalem and her idols?’”

12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Lord has performed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, that He will say, “I will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his haughty looks.”
Assyria did what was in their heart by a free will choice. However they were fulfilling God's eternal plan. Predestination.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE
Acts 2:22-23
22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[a] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; This was predestined but clearly a free will choice. From mans side he makes a free will choice because these free will choices have been predestined.
Acts 4:27-28
27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.
The free will choice is also true in the matter of redemption. God predestined and elected those who would believe as part of the eternal plan before the world began as we have seen already. Here is the scripture:
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You see here the eternal predestined plan and the free will response of His elect chosen before the foundation of the earth. They were elect but must respond to the gospel by their free will.
It is VERY important that one sees that God's eternal plan had to be unconditional. If any part of the plan was conditioned on what man might or might not do the whole plan would be conditional and uncertain. God is sovereign and not dependent on what man or the devil might do. Jesus was predetermined to be betrayed by Judas. Judas was held accountable because he made the free will choice to do it.
God has foreknowledge or perfect knowledge and certainty of all events. Acts 15:18
18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.[a]
NOTHING takes God by surprise!
Election is the sovereign choice of His people before the foundation of the world. He says they will be effectually called, justified, and glorified because it was predestined. See Romans 8:29-30.
Election is NOT God foreseeing who would believe by looking down history and saving those who believe. This would be works and not grace.
2 Timothy 1:9
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Does this all mean that it is fatalism which is what Hyper-Calvinism believes?
NO! We are to pray, evangelize, teach, preach because this is what God has predestined us to do. We do not know who is or is not elect or how prayers will effect events in advance. The elect have to hear the gospel and respond which they will do by a preordained free will choice. The lost hear the general call and reject it by their own free will. Here it is in Jesus' words: John 6:64-65

64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” THESE WERE HIS DISCIPLES! HE HAD TAUGHT THEM JUST LIKE THE REST OF HIS DISCIPLES.
John 5:39-40
39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Why does God give a general call by the preaching of the gospel or by Romans 1:18-22 and people's conscience? So they will be responsible for their free will choice.

What about 'fairness' in all of this? Here is what the Bible says:
Romans 9:12-26
12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.”[a] 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”[c] 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”[d] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea:


“ I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”[e]
26 “ And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,

‘ You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”[
If God is not sovereign He is not God. He is perfectly fair and just in ALL that He does, which includes predestination and election.
Here is what John Calvin taught in a brief summary and is essentially in line with scripture.1. Man is totally lost in sin and cannot choose salvation apart from grace. 2. Unconditional election: God chooses who He will. 3. Limited atonement: Christ died savingly for the elect. 4. Irresistible (effective) grace: God's grace produces the effect for which it was intended. 5. Perseverance of the saints. All those God calls and saves will endure to the end. (This is not once saved always saved because salvation is a walk (enduring) not just receiving Jesus, getting baptized, and joining a 'church'.) Please know that the next breath, for both the saved and unsaved, is dependent upon God's grace!
Hyper-Calvinism has perverted Calvin's teaching into fatalism which results in no evangelism, little prayer or intercession, and carelessness of living for Jesus.
 
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