Is the church building, or the chapel, or the meeting room, or the gospel where we variously gather, "God's house"? Surely not - we are God's house. The house is a spiritual idea, not a physical one - wouldn't you agree?
Church Worship Music
- Thread starter Juk
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Thats mostly what I do, pick out the melody. I dont strum or do anything rhythmic, its harder on your hands. I would say fingering. The ten string harp I have is not a jewish harp, its a celtic one. But I figured I wanted a 10 string one cos my guitar is a bit. Big to carry round with me everywhere.
I am no means a musician, I've only done grade one theory in music and while I can read a bit of music I wouldnt be confident playing solo anything.
One time I did bring my guitar to church and just played it in the pews while everyone else was singing. im sure maybe some people looked at me weird like I wasnt supposed to, but...im not going up the front. Lol. I dont want everyone looking at me.
Good thing he is not excluded from worshiping God with all he's got!
God almost always provides people who are gifted musically in a local body. Should a group come together that is so small that there is no one gifted musically among them ---YET---then they need to worship with all they've got, nonetheless. There is no impairment. However you seem to think that musical instruments impair pure worship, which is an unsound, ungodly and antibiblical belief.
Of course we are God's house, but we do come together in a house of worship, just as in the beginning, so your dogmatism is questionable, here.
Beautiful lyrics.
The welsh are quite renowned for their singing. I guess down in the mines they had great acoustics.
Well... there's only no room for the flesh when we don't make room for the flesh. If we do, the flesh will be there, and the Holy Spirit will be grieved. He won't force Himself on us.[/QUOTE]
I don't think we can claim that the Holy Spirit is doing these things today if He has left any record of it out of the New Testament. There are a lot of things listed here. Surely the Holy Spirit wouldn't've omitted all of them from the New Testament if they were important to Christian worship?
Yes it is all about bringing glory to God by doing what we have to do as unto Him.
I absolutely agree. Though, has he got less than me, because he can't raise his hands? I personally believe he has a lot more than me to offer to God, a great deal of accumulated substance.
These unmusically gifted believers do have less though, by this measure? They are impaired in some way, if they haven't got those talents?
I suppose you have the ability to discern who is worshiping and who is gratifying their flesh, eh?
I let God handle that.
I claim it because I know Him. He hasn't omitted anything. But your Church of Christ has.
Again... that really is another Old Testament concept, a physical 'house of worship'. If a group of believers gathers in the street to worship, or in the middle of a forest, or in a car park, then God's house is there. It's the spiritual structure, isn't it?
He has a reason not to raise his hands in worship. If he had the use of his hands and refused to lift them to God in praise, then it's his loss.
They have nothing missing except a musically accomplished person in their midst.
Absolutely. Fulfilling our responsibilities in a way that glorifies Him.
He worships with what he's got, which is all any one of us is required to do.
I know some orthodox jewish congregations do NOT have musicians and worship the way you see in christian churches. They just have singing, those that do have musicians, are actually copying christian congregations. So...it cant be said that Jewish people all worshipped with loud instruments. maybe they just had loud voices.
Its the reformed synagogues that have the musicians.
Its the reformed synagogues that have the musicians.
Oh, no, I wouldn't claim that. Besides, I need to be in self-judgement, not looking at others and wondering what they might be thinking or not thinking. God will see to that. But it's my responsibility not to bring anything in which will indulge the flesh, in me or in others. That could be something as small as flowery language in prayer - embellishing my prayer with fancy phrases which I've though up, instead of just expressing what the Spirit has given me. I have to be on my guard to keep that sort of thing out. Of course, if the Spirit is not grieved, He helps to keep out the flesh, but I have to be completely dependent on His service in this way. The moment I stop depending on the Spirit and start to look to myself for resources, then the flesh is bound to get in.
The Spirit and the Word are in full agreement, aren't they?
I don't know what this "Church of Christ" is, but I'm not affiliated with anything like that.
What does he lose? And what does God lose?
And that is a loss... how? That's what I don't see any basis for. Are we not equipped fully by the Spirit to worship in spirit and in truth?
What's really emerging out of this is that we have to be very careful we don't get into bondage to these things earthly things, to the point of insisting on them. Really, it's subjection to the elements of the world again, ordinances by another name. If we say that worship isn't complete and full unless we have this and that, and unless we're doing this and that, then we really are in dreadful bondage. Not only that, it's effectively saying that the work of Christ and the service of the Holy Spirit are inadequate, and that we have to borrow from Jewish worship to make up the deficit. It may be legal to go about prohibiting things (and that's not what I'm proposing) but it's equally legal to insist on them as well. We have to be careful not to fall into one extreme in our keenness to get away from the other.
Well, I feel that's all there is to be said, on my part anyway. Thank you, brethren, for your patience.
Well, I feel that's all there is to be said, on my part anyway. Thank you, brethren, for your patience.