Must one Hold to the trinity to be saved?

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Major said:
You are correct.

However.....lets cut to the chase. What is it that bothers YOU about saying that Jesus is the 2nd PERSON of the Trinity. BE SPECIFIC!
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simply because the Bible [does not] make any such claim. Neither does the Apostles in their writings. Paul does not call them Persons. we have literally 12 Books that make references to the DIVINITY of God and none of them called them Persons. why is it wrong to accept the Word of God over man's idealism and tradition?
 
GodisSpirit said:
i get paid to teach the Hebrew. i never said the Angels were equal to God. but we have evidence how God planted His SEED into the womb of Mary. if spirits can enter a human being then planting seeds is a very logical method.

you need to go back and understand how Genesis 3, 6, 11, Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Psalms 82 all connect to the War between God's Creation and the Rebellion of the Angels.

you are way off base.
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You said........
"i never said the Angels were equal to God.

YES my dear friend, that is exactly what you said.
That is why I aske if you thought through what you were going to post before posting!

In post #522 you said in black and white..........
"Fallen Angels would have done same way as how Mary became pregnant."

THAT right there says that Demons have the same ability to bring forth life as did the Holy Spirit did with Mary!!!!
 
Major said:
You said........
"i never said the Angels were equal to God.

YES my dear friend, that is exactly what you said.
That is why I aske if you thought through what you were going to post before posting!

In post #522 you said in black and white..........
"Fallen Angels would have done same way as how Mary became pregnant."

THAT right there says that Demons have the same ability to bring forth life as did the Holy Spirit did with Mary!!!!
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planting seed into women is not a basis on being equal to God. you really are stretching here. if you had solid proof you would present it rather tick tack something so minute and claim i am equaling Angels to God.
 
Major said:
You are correct.

However.....lets cut to the chase. What is it that bothers YOU about saying that Jesus is the 2nd PERSON of the Trinity. BE SPECIFIC!
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There are 2 separate and distinct persons being mentioned there, and Jesus to be called Lord would also have to be God along with the father!
 
GodisSpirit said:
simply because the Bible [does not] make any such claim. Neither does the Apostles in their writings. Paul does not call them Persons. we have literally 12 Books that make references to the DIVINITY of God and none of them called them Persons. why is it wrong to accept the Word of God over man's idealism and tradition?
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I do not agree with you.

The Trinity is all through the Bible IF you want to see it my friend.

The flour to the bread of Christianity, cannot be understood through human reason. The mysteriousness of the Trinity, however, hasn’t stopped believers from spending centuries examining and clarifying its doctrine. The core elements of the Trinity are described in no uncertain terms:
God is only one, but exists in three distinct persons. The divine persons do not share one divinity but are each wholly and entirely God, existing in relationship with one another.

Jesus refers to God as Father, telling his followers in John 10:30 that.......
“I and the Father are one”.

At the Last Supper, Jesus tells the apostles that though he is leaving them his Father will send the Holy Spirit to teach and guide them. It is largely through Jesus, therefore, that we have come to know the three persons of the Trinity as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
 
GodisSpirit said:
i see it how the Bible classifies it not how man's doctrine classified it. as long as i go specifically by the BIBLE, i have more guarantee over a Creed made by MAN's intellect.
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Which is it to you though, God is within Himself 3 persons, or that all 3 persons are in Jesus alone?
 
Major said:
I do not agree with you.

The Trinity is all through the Bible IF you want to see it my friend.

The flour to the bread of Christianity, cannot be understood through human reason. The mysteriousness of the Trinity, however, hasn’t stopped believers from spending centuries examining and clarifying its doctrine. The core elements of the Trinity are described in no uncertain terms:
God is only one, but exists in three distinct persons. The divine persons do not share one divinity but are each wholly and entirely God, existing in relationship with one another.

Jesus refers to God as Father, telling his followers in John 10:30 that.......
“I and the Father are one”.

At the Last Supper, Jesus tells the apostles that though he is leaving them his Father will send the Holy Spirit to teach and guide them. It is largely through Jesus, therefore, that we have come to know the three persons of the Trinity as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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To call God any thing else has always been seen as holding to heresy, regardless if Unitarian, Jesus only, modulaism etc!
 
GodisSpirit said:
simply because the Bible [does not] make any such claim. Neither does the Apostles in their writings. Paul does not call them Persons. we have literally 12 Books that make references to the DIVINITY of God and none of them called them Persons. why is it wrong to accept the Word of God over man's idealism and tradition?
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Do God the father and Jesus exist right now as different "persons?"
 
Major said:
Actually I do understand what you are saying.

I do not agree with your thinking but I understand it.
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but i am not denying God as THREE in ONE either! I am only going by the BIBLE which you are going by a man's doctrine.

is a doctrine going to save you or God's Holy Word?
 
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