The Raptures (Harpazo) of the Scriptures

Silk said:
I think? everyone agrees with those sentiments.
Did you read Abdicate's post 123? It says in part "Tishri is the name of the seventh month – originally was the first month until the Exodus when God changed the first month to Nisan, Exodus 12:2. Tishri 1 is when the calendar year changes number. It is not connected to any historical event, even after Jesus’ time on earth. The same is said for the Day of Atonement. Tishri 1 is also known as “the day in which no man can know the day or the hour” because it must be proclaimed. A hint from Jesus’ own words perhaps, Matthew 24:36. First, two witnesses need to see the new moon. Then the council will determine if the day (1 Tishri) falls on a Sabbath or causes any other feast day to fall on a Sabbath. If so, it is postponed until the next day or even a second day. Hence the reason no one can know the day or the hour! Now 1 Tishri, because of the diaspora, dispersing of the Jews to Babylon, this day is also called the One Long Day because they’d light fires to notify the next hill who’d like a fire to the next hill, all the way to Babylon. As such, no one knows the day or the hour in which it started. Even the devil doesn’t know when it begins, 1 1 Corinthians 2:8

I'm thinking the convergent signs seem to be there (for me) and while I know intellectually that it's unwise to anticipate, I doubt I will get any sleep on the Feast of Trumpets or Tabernacles. My faith is the same whatever happens.

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We can know the "season" and by what we see today one must come to the conclusion that the Rapture is getting real close.
 
Exactly.
Major said:
We can know the "season" and by what we see today one must come to the conclusion that the Rapture is getting real close.
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Exactly. We can know the season, when the fig tree starts to blossom. Do you perceive events to which leaves might pertain?
 
Penion said:
Exactly.


Exactly. We can know the season, when the fig tree starts to blossom. Do you perceive events to which leaves might pertain?
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Yes sir. I Think that we are seeing the rise of the Revived Roman Empire in the European Union.

We also can see that China is THE nation with a 200 million man army that will invade the Holy Lands by walking across the Euphrates River.

We can also see the nation of Turkey has several dams on the Euphrates that can dry up the river and allow the 200 million men to walk over the dry river bed.
 
Major said:
Yes sir. I Think that we are seeing the rise of the Revived Roman Empire in the European Union.

We also can see that China is THE nation with a 200 million man army that will invade the Holy Lands by walking across the Euphrates River.

We can also see the nation of Turkey has several dams on the Euphrates that can dry up the river and allow the 200 million men to walk over the dry river bed.
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Thanks Major!

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Egypt have the second largest land army?
 
Major said:
Yes sir. I Think that we are seeing the rise of the Revived Roman Empire in the European Union.

We also can see that China is THE nation with a 200 million man army that will invade the Holy Lands by walking across the Euphrates River.

We can also see the nation of Turkey has several dams on the Euphrates that can dry up the river and allow the 200 million men to walk over the dry river bed.
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This is where I differ. The word of God is a Middle-Eastern book, and China has no interest in marching an army to Israel. But 200 million Muslims at the call of their Caliphate and Mahdi would, and more. Those that tried to fit in the Catholics 400 years ago were wrong, and they also said China's the only one that can generate 200 million man army. Currently, at least as of April 2015, their fighting force was just over 2 million. A far cry from 200 million. While indeed they have 618 million fit for service, they don't have a dog in this fight. But 1 billion Muslims, mostly residing from Indonesia to Iran, from Morocco to Egypt do. (That's a lot of kings from the east, plural, not "king", Rev 16:12) And when their messiah calls them, they'll come running. Furthermore, ALL, yes 100%, of the countries the Lord deals with when He comes are Muslim. Just my thoughts :)
 
Islam has become the 2nd religious faith, behind Christianity, replacing the Jews, in the US. There are rumors that Christian soldiers are beginning to be perosecuted for their faith in the military and yet US muslim soldiers pray to mecca 5 times per day. What do you think of this video regarding the 10 zones? I think the whole world is setting up against God these days.

 
It's nearly midnight and I'm not sure I'll have time tomorrow to watch it, so I'll get to it when I can. Remember the 10 kings have no kingdom as yet... it'll be the work of the Antichrist for sure and I do not believe it's remotely possible to know how this will play out beyond what the scriptures say, which isn't much. But I'll see if I can find anything. I do believe the USA will no longer exists, be broken into multiple countries, or be so weak we won't be able to do anything because of a great catastrophe, God or man-made. Either way, a lot of theories will be broken or proven by October... nighty night :) :sleep:
 
Abdicate said:
This is where I differ. The word of God is a Middle-Eastern book, and China has no interest in marching an army to Israel. But 200 million Muslims at the call of their Caliphate and Mahdi would, and more. Those that tried to fit in the Catholics 400 years ago were wrong, and they also said China's the only one that can generate 200 million man army. Currently, at least as of April 2015, their fighting force was just over 2 million. A far cry from 200 million. While indeed they have 618 million fit for service, they don't have a dog in this fight. But 1 billion Muslims, mostly residing from Indonesia to Iran, from Morocco to Egypt do. (That's a lot of kings from the east, plural, not "king", Rev 16:12) And when their messiah calls them, they'll come running. Furthermore, ALL, yes 100%, of the countries the Lord deals with when He comes are Muslim. Just my thoughts :)
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I think we're forgetting that in Revelation it is the Kings of the East that march to Armageddon. Walvoord, "at the sixth seal the Euphrates will dry up to prepare the way for the great army from the East to participate in the final wold war. " He later says, "spirits of demons" gather together the kings of the whole world to Armageddon. Revelation 16:14-16. Major Bible Prophecies,
J.F. Walvoord, Harper Paperbacks. Sorry I don't have the date of publication.
Walvoord is a respected commentator. But, admitibly, He is just as fallible as the rest of us.
 
Euphemia said:
Goodnight, Abdicate!

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Penion said:
I think we're forgetting that in Revelation it is the Kings of the East that march to Armageddon. Walvoord, "at the sixth seal the Euphrates will dry up to prepare the way for the great army from the East to participate in the final wold war. " He later says, "spirits of demons" gather together the kings of the whole world to Armageddon. Revelation 16:14-16. Major Bible Prophecies,
J.F. Walvoord, Harper Paperbacks. Sorry I don't have the date of publication.
Walvoord is a respected commentator. But, admitibly, He is just as fallible as the rest of us.
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That's what we're talking about. Those that believe it's just "China" are not seeing that Revelation says "kings", plural. The muslims are the kings of the east... all those muslim nations. :)
 
I can't remember whether it was this video (or the other thread video....there are only 2 Page videos that I can find) but Page gives another motivation on something happening in Texas this summer (oh it is the other thread) and that is the Mexican border and attacks coming that way. He indicates that Iran has a military encampment down south.
 
Silk said:
Islam has become the 2nd religious faith, behind Christianity, replacing the Jews, in the US. There are rumors that Christian soldiers are beginning to be perosecuted for their faith in the military and yet US muslim soldiers pray to mecca 5 times per day. What do you think of this video regarding the 10 zones? I think the whole world is setting up against God these days.
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I watched the video... the military always plays scenarios so they can be ready should something happen. I've seen that list for myself before but I don't remember where. I'm not worried about it because God is in control. I may die for my beliefs and that's fine because it'll add to God's cup of wrath against the ungodly. I'm not worried about the destruction of America, I'm deeply saddened; now because we are already destroyed, we're just waiting for it to become official. Time will only tell what it'll be like. The devil is doing his thing and the Holy Spirit is removing Himself to give him more power. The Holy Spirit is the protection of God. When sin abounds there's not much He can do to protect those that sin. He calls all to repent and obey His promptings.
 
Abdicate said:
This is where I differ. The word of God is a Middle-Eastern book, and China has no interest in marching an army to Israel. But 200 million Muslims at the call of their Caliphate and Mahdi would, and more. Those that tried to fit in the Catholics 400 years ago were wrong, and they also said China's the only one that can generate 200 million man army. Currently, at least as of April 2015, their fighting force was just over 2 million. A far cry from 200 million. While indeed they have 618 million fit for service, they don't have a dog in this fight. But 1 billion Muslims, mostly residing from Indonesia to Iran, from Morocco to Egypt do. (That's a lot of kings from the east, plural, not "king", Rev 16:12) And when their messiah calls them, they'll come running. Furthermore, ALL, yes 100%, of the countries the Lord deals with when He comes are Muslim. Just my thoughts :)
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No argument from me. In addition to your thinking, the Scriptures says of this army that it comes from "KINGS" which seems to support the idea of many countries coming together.
 
Abdicate said:
This is where I differ. The word of God is a Middle-Eastern book, and China has no interest in marching an army to Israel. But 200 million Muslims at the call of their Caliphate and Mahdi would, and more. Those that tried to fit in the Catholics 400 years ago were wrong, and they also said China's the only one that can generate 200 million man army. Currently, at least as of April 2015, their fighting force was just over 2 million. A far cry from 200 million. While indeed they have 618 million fit for service, they don't have a dog in this fight. But 1 billion Muslims, mostly residing from Indonesia to Iran, from Morocco to Egypt do. (That's a lot of kings from the east, plural, not "king", Rev 16:12) And when their messiah calls them, they'll come running. Furthermore, ALL, yes 100%, of the countries the Lord deals with when He comes are Muslim. Just my thoughts :)
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You may be correct Ad. I was thinking along those lines and if we look at the map, between China and Israel there is a whole lot of Muslim countries. The Scriptures describes the "Kings" of the East so it seem acceptable that it will be many led by ONE.
China is atheistic so that complicates them working with Muslims however if it is a war situation then the enemy of Israel is my best friend.

Then if we consider that this army from the East, and it incorporates more soldiers (Muslim) along its trip to Armegeddon the total of men and Chinese would be overwhelming. Then let us look at the difficult passage in Revelation 9:17-19. We are told that the riders of these "horses" wore breastplates of "fire, jacinth, and brimstone", we have to ask ourselves what kind of colors would this be?

"Fire" ranges from yellow to bright red, and usually shades in between
"Jacinth" is defined in the dictionary as being "Reddish Orange"
"Brimstone" is defined as being "Bright Yellow"

Now here is the interesting thing. If anyone has viewed Chinese art, you will discover that these very colors are used abundantly! These colors are traditional Chinese colors.
 
Penion said:
Sorry. That wasn't really a relevant question, since all the kings and their armies will be at Armageddon.
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Actually it is relevant because the Holy Spirit impressed it upon you to ask it. I did a little research and you are correct. Egypt does in fact have a huge standing army but it doesn't have a lot of sophisticated weaponry, but it has a massive army and they right next door to Israel.

Egypt doesn't have a lot of sophisticated weaponry, but it has a massive army and they right next door to Israel. Could, if they wanted to, pull off a surprised attack and overrun Israel in one day? What logistical constraints exist? I know that they would like to do it and are not afraid to take huge losses.

So then what could be the reason why they don't. Having had some experience in the military many years ago, I would say that Israel has delivered a strong message to Egypt that is they do attack, Cairo will be completely destroyed.

Israel has all of the modern nuclear weapons then the USA has and the difference is .........when faced with an overwhelming attack, they will use them.
 
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