Yes, those who have received glorified, immortal bodies cannot be the Two Witnesses.
Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of the Post-Millennium return of Jesus, the angels, and the saints who had gone to be citizens of the heavenly city at the Second Coming. It refers not to your "end of the 7-year tribulation Second Coming of Jesus" for the following reason:
Zechariah 9:14 says the Lord God shall blow His Trumpet, which Paul calls the "Trump of God" which he also says is the "Last Trump" which is sounded when He descends and we ascend which means that it cannot be sounded until only after the previous Seven Trumpets have sounded which means your "Rapture" can't take place until after the other Seven Trumpets have sounded which completely unravels Jesuit Futurism.
I encourage you to expand your theology outside of Jesuit dogma to include ALL of the Scriptures Major.
I read another's explanation that Paul is speaking of a "last trump" which follows after a series of "previous trumps", although Paul makes no mention of these other trumpets and describes it as "the trump of God (only one), rather than "a trump of God" (one among several others).Nope.....That is not Biblical IMO.
The last trump to anyone living at the time of the temple is called the Tekiah haGadolah and is played on 1 Tishri, about which I wrote a very long article on my blog: http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=528Nope.....That is not Biblical IMO.
The last trump to anyone living at the time of the temple is called the Tekiah haGadolah and is played on 1 Tishri, about which I wrote a very long article on my blog: http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=528
In summary, the last trump has nothing to do with the 7 trumpets of judgment!
I hope you read the article... I go into the prophecy of Proverbs 7!
The last trump to anyone living at the time of the temple is called the Tekiah haGadolah and is played on 1 Tishri, about which I wrote a very long article on my blog: http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=528
In summary, the last trump has nothing to do with the 7 trumpets of judgment!
I hope you read the article... I go into the prophecy of Proverbs 7!
I was just reinforcing your comment...Yes, and I agree with you.
It was our friend Phoneman who said in comment #82 that.......
"Paul calls the "Trump of God" which he also says is the "Last Trump" which is sounded when He descends and we ascend which means that it cannot be sounded until only after the previous Seven Trumpets have sounded which means your "Rapture" can't take place until after the other Seven Trumpets have sounded which completely unravels Jesuit Futurism."
To that I said NOPE, That is not Biblical!
In your article you state Jesus was born on Tishri 15. Where is that in the Bible? I know that this idea is based on major assumptions about the timing of John's conception as well as the relevance of Hanukkah, Elijah's cup of wine, and Tabernacles, all of which is pure speculation. This is no different than Catholicism's declaration of the Assumption of Mary based upon "appropriateness and degree of assent". The only clear Biblical evidence available points to a late summer/early fall birth of Jesus.The last trump to anyone living at the time of the temple is called the Tekiah haGadolah and is played on 1 Tishri, about which I wrote a very long article on my blog: http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=528
In summary, the last trump has nothing to do with the 7 trumpets of judgment!
I hope you read the article... I go into the prophecy of Proverbs 7!
I read another's explanation that Paul is speaking of a "last trump" which follows after a series of "previous trumps", although Paul makes no mention of these other trumpets and describes it as "the trump of God (only one), rather than "a trump of God" (one among several others).
I was just reinforcing your comment...
Discernment and deduction...In your article you state Jesus was born on Tishri 15. Where is that in the Bible? I know that this idea is based on major assumptions about the timing of John's conception as well as the relevance of Hanukkah, Elijah's cup of wine, and Tabernacles, all of which is pure speculation. This is no different than Catholicism's declaration of the Assumption of Mary based upon "appropriateness and degree of assent". The only clear Biblical evidence available points to a late summer/early fall birth of Jesus.
You assume that the "last trump" has to do with temporal antiquity while disregarding the celestial, supernatural aspect of the events surrounding the "last trump", which has nothing to do with any earthly temple. This is especially true in a day when we anxiously expect to hear that "last trump", seeing that any reestablishment of a temple and sacrificial system in Jerusalem would be an official, nationally declared middle finger in the face of the Lamb of God, and He would never inspire Paul to refer to any such blasphemous, abominable temple as "the Temple of God" (2 Thessalonians 2:4). There are no more celestial, angelic trumpets blown after the Lord blows the "last" celestial trumpet.
I'm not far behindMy apologies my brother. Now I see it but at first glace it seemed different. Hey.......one day you will be my age too!!!!
Thank you, brother Major, and I would say the same to you about your misguided beliefs and encourage you to look outside of Jesuit Futurism and seek out Biblically sound teaching, seeing that it is an idea that was born out of an institution which has failed to gain a Biblically sound position on the most fundamental teaching of Christianity: Salvation by grace through faith, and has demonstrated such in every other case with regard to the doctrines of that institution.God bless you my brother. I know you are sincere but I suspect a little misguided. Again.....I encourage you to look outside of the SDA teachings and to the Scriptures themselves.
The problem we are talking about happens because some of those who believe in the Mid-Tribulation Rapture wrongly teach that the last trump (the trump of God) that removes the Church from the earth at the Rapture is the same as the seventh trumpet blown by the seventh angel in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 11:15-19).
The Biblical fact however is that Trumpets are mentioned almost 100 times in the Bible. But in those more than 100 verses there are no verses that say the last trump (the trump of God) is the same as the seventh trumpet that will be blown by the seventh angel during the Tribulation Period.
Those who say the last trump (the trump of God) is the same as the seventh trumpet that will be blown by the seventh angel during the Tribulation Period just assume that they are the same.
So what has cause this discrepancy in theology????
It’s their interpretation or probably something that they have heard others say, but the truth is that it is not a verse of Scripture in the Bible.
Yes, one can easily discern and deduce from Scripture that during the Sixth plague, which follow the 7 Churches, 7 Seals, and 7 Trumpets, Jesus is yet warning His people to be ready to meet Him when He comes as a thief.Discernment and deduction...
Silk, I can't assign literal men as the Two Witnesses, for they are referred to as "trees" and "candlesticks", and as I've stated before, unless they are some unholy amalgamation of human and plant DNA with metallurgy thrown in to boot, the Two Witnesses are symbolic, which is to be expected according to John's statement about the format used by Jesus for His Revelation to us (Revelation 1:1 KJV) - in symbolism.@Phoneman777, for a moment, put aside your symbolic witnesses, and tell who, if it was a biblical figure, you would choose as the 2 witnesses. We won't hold you to it because we all know it's speculation. Make a case for your favorite.
You can't pick and choose to conclude anything.Yes, one can easily discern and deduce from Scripture that during the Sixth plague, which follow the 7 Churches, 7 Seals, and 7 Trumpets, Jesus is yet warning His people to be ready to meet Him when He comes as a thief.
2 Peter 1:21, I know it well, that's why I let the "holy men" interpret symbolism of prophecy for meYou can't pick and choose to conclude anything.