Yes, unity in the Spirit and truth is a wonderful thing, given to us by God. You do understand that true unity is based upon the believers walking in the truth together? Now I have sought an honest answer to some very important questions, as to Mr. Villas doctrines? As a "protestant" yourself, you can understand how the issue of being "born-again" would be a valid and honest discussion among those who are seeking "unity" in the truth?
Godly Miracles, Signs, And Wonders
- Thread starter Candelario Mario Villa
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Have I asked anyone for anything? If I pay my own way, is that fleecing someone?
So we are agreed that God heals: good.
As to men healing, again we are agreed (I never said men could heal)!
As to the words of the Lord in Mk. 16:15-18 __ "These signs shall follow them that believe in my NAME...". (Notice I left out the semi-colon). James 5:14-15 __ AGREE with the Lord's words. So it's not that a man will heal; but believers (elders who believe in His NAME) can "...pray in the NAME of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save the sick...".
You have completely misunderstood: prayer is not beckoning and calling at a whim.
2 Corinthians 10:3 (KJV) For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 2 Corinthians 10:4 (KJV) (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) 2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Corinthians 10:6 (KJV) And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
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Beloved, if you had known the situation we were in as believers, against the catholic house of by wife-to-be.
They would have scoffed more at the NAME of the Lord saying: "Look! That preacher cannot even buy her
shoes for her wedding!"
But it was very important for my wife: and those who know fashion also know it's next to impossible to find
white shoes in the beginning of winter.
I won't say more, but that you will believe what you will.
Am I mistaking this or Mario are you really saying that if someone who is a believer is sinning at the time of their death, then you believe that they be saved?
Also, I have had many visions, dreams, etc. and God has done many miracles on my account, as I am sure that God has given many believers on this site, yet I in no way think that is a reason for my doctrine to be seen as credible. If one states they have a vision and it is contrary to doctrine, I would have to doubt that was a vision from God. Even unbelievers have done miracles which is why Jesus says, "22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness' (Matt: 7:23).
As I recall, you believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation. I would assume this is what this debate is about. Without bringing up the baptism debate again, if you are saying that God gave you a vision that water baptism is necessary for salvation, I would have to say that I don't believe that was a true vision from God, because I don't believe that is scriptural. I believe that God did stop you from the train and that is great and I am glad you are alive, and that he has done other things for you, but that does not prove your doctrine is from him.
Mitspa, am I correct in hearing you say that you never hear God's voice except through scripture. I don't believe anything said by God to us would contradict scripture, but God speaks to his people all the time. What do you think we will be doing after this life? Just quoting scripture? When we are in God's Spirit we are already living in that life, we are part of the kingdom already.
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So you think that I am a bad (or good) catholic and/or charismatic?
You were not there when the Lord dealt with my sins!
The Word is in fact "spiritual" "the sword of the Spirit" in a discussion of the truth of scripture, one is in fact judging the spirits. One who teaches a contrary doctrine and then attempts to suggest that God is working great wonders through them, should be questioned on certain aspects of what they are trying to teach to others. No attack has been made on my part, just honest questions about Mr villas doctrine as to help judge the truth of these deeds he is posting on this thread.
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Love that scripture, Beloved. I have no weapons, but what the Lord has done in me. "And I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation: to the Jews first, and to me also." Once more, "He that glories, let him glory in the Lord."
No, I did not say that! Why would you misquote my words? I said God reasons with me within the truth of His Word and does not contradict the scriptures.
Thank you for clarifying. I thought I must be mistaken.
Let me say this in a plan way, if someone comes and tells me that "born-again" does not really mean "born-again" (just ask God) and then goes on to challenge the very core of the gospel, that one is justified by faith. Then they attempt to speak of all the great wonders God has wrought through them, forgive me if I don't accept these things, without first testing them.
Ro 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
My point in this statement Mr Villa, was that you seem to have some of the teachings of both these groups? Very odd to me but I was not suggesting that you are good or bad, but just have some questions as it relates to where you draw the foundation of your doctrines? Now I know you may say "God told me" but I cannot accept that God would speak contrary to what is written in clear words. So maybe you could help me understand your history and your point of reference, in hopes that I might find some common ground in the truth?
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Beloved, "born again" means born again in English: but the words translated into the English language are "gennao anothen":
"...conceived from above...". They do not stand alone, for we have Jn. 3:5 __ "Except a man be born of water and of the
Spirit, he cannot enter...". I was born out of the water when I was "...buried with him by baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father...", I should, also, walk in newness of life.
I know you understand; and so do many in this forum. But what I am hearing is that I should reject what the Lord
has taught me and accept denominational teaching. Doctrine is fine: it is what keeps us saved if we
"...endure unto the end." But it is the Gospel that saves.
Surely Jesus has saved and redeemed all of humanity with His one sacrifice; but it is the Gospel that does save the believer.
"For by faith are you saved through grace; and that not of yourselves; it (faith) is the gift of God."
Is that the way I am to read Eph. 2:8?
Grace is the promise, "For this promise is unto you..."; and the gift of God "...you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.": the gift and the promise are one: it is the Holy Spirit, without which no man can be saved.
Beloved, we shall go around and around all day, because I am preaching the Gospel; and you are using the doctrines that
belong to them that are saved.
Mr Villa, I have years of study in the Greek and you are just in error, no group that I am aware of, would support and defend your translation. So , forgive me if I reject that God gave you this translation? Now do you have any accepted scholar or group willing to accept what you say God told you? Any? If not are you the only one able to discern what "words" of scripture really mean? Do you not see how others must question you and test the things you are trying to affirm? It seems you would use these stories of signs and wonders to give power to doctrines that are clearly in error. Im sorry Mr Villa, but I must question these things or reject them as being from a spirit of error. Now to this point you have made no biblical defense other than "god told you" you cannot present any Greek scholar that would agree with your reading, or can you? I would consider it, so please present that if you have it?
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Of course you are speaking from your denominational standpoint: I understand. Were you involved in the catholic church or the charismatic movement? There is no doubt that they have some truth: not everybody can possibly be as blind as I was. Just out of curiosity: what teachings do you think you recognize? If I have any similarity with those two groups, O assure you that it is only a coincidence.
Do you really want to find some common ground? Let's begin with the "born again" experience. Do you deny that "gennao anothen" was translated to English as "born again"?
What? why would I deny what I know is the proper translation, that to my knowledge all Greek scholars agree, again do you have any other source that would agree with your translation that you say "God gave you"? Lets look at these passages of scripture in context ;
Joh 3:3 Jesus <Iesous> answered <apokrinomai> and <kai> said <epo> unto him, <autos> Verily, <amen> verily, <amen> I say <lego> unto thee, <soi> Except <ean me> a man <tis> be born <gennao> again, <anothen> he cannot <dunamai> <ou> see <eido> the kingdom <basileia> of God. <theos>
4 Nicodemus <Nikodemos> saith <lego> unto <pros> him, <autos> How <pos> can <dunamai> a man <anthropos> be born <gennao> when he is <on> old <geron>? can <me> <dunamai> he enter <eiserchomai> the second time <deuteros> into <eis> his <autos> mother's <meter> womb, <koilia> and <kai> be born <gennao>?
5 Jesus <Iesous> answered, <apokrinomai> Verily, <amen> verily, <amen> I say <lego> unto thee, <soi> Except <ean me> a man <tis> be born <gennao> of <ek> water <hudor> and <kai> of the Spirit, <pneuma> he cannot <ou> <dunamai> enter <eiserchomai> into <eis> the kingdom <basileia> of God. <theos>
6 That which is born <gennao> of <ek> the flesh <sarx> is <esti> flesh; <sarx> and <kai> that which is born <gennao> of <ek> the Spirit <pneuma> is <esti> spirit. <pneuma>
Lets read vs 4 very carefully, in response to the Lords statement that one must be "born-again", Nicodemus ask how can a man enter his mothers womb the second time and be born. Not "conceived"
So it is your belief, that "gennao" is translated "born" 4 times in these following scriptures, but is to be translated "conceived" again in verse 3? No Mr Villa, you should really reconsider what you are trying to affirm to others. In fact no believer who has witnessed the truth of being "born-again" will take serious your assertions, and indeed this sort of error hinders your whole testimony to those to whom you would have consider your walk with the Lord.
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I am straight up Word of Faith, speak in tongues, have been used by God to lay hands on the sick with startling results, used in Words of Knowledge. What is all this back and fourth stuff about.
The Thing is, I hear God. Talk to him a lot at times. I don't like to use the authoritative "God Told me" but the Holy Spirit is the teacher, not some Greek Scholar. If it's right, there should be some other comparing scripture.
People use Greek to remove hell, stupid people do that is, but they do.
Blessings.
The Thing is, I hear God. Talk to him a lot at times. I don't like to use the authoritative "God Told me" but the Holy Spirit is the teacher, not some Greek Scholar. If it's right, there should be some other comparing scripture.
People use Greek to remove hell, stupid people do that is, but they do.
Blessings.
Wow ! you sound pretty impressive! "startling results" you sound like the reason I left the WOF . The bible is written in Greek, so when someone who talks about how they "hear God" and all the great wonders that God works through them, begins to change the meaning of the Word, then you might be able to get past all the hot air and judge whether they are trying to deceive you. This I know, those who boast in how God uses them are almost never used by God. That's not how God works nor is this the group of people He uses. Man you guys give those like Ken H. and EWK a bad name, you should be ashamed to act in this manner.
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