I am not saying Rahab did not lie, she did, but it was not because of her lies God spared her and her family, it was because of her faith. If it was only based on her lies she would have perished with the rest of the city.
Would You Lie To Save A Innocent Life?
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Sure. Maybe lies that are spoken to get what you want. But lying to save another is not self-serving.
Of course we are to not lie if the circumstance allows it. But sometimes it does not.
No but the Pharisee were blind to true righteousness because they thought they were "keeping the law" but they WAS NOT! They were living a lie, thinking they was keeping the true standards of God!
She was justified..in that she was protecting the people of God!
We are not talking about lying! We are talking about lying to save someone!
Lie = sin
Lying to save a life = no sin John 15:13!
Taking anothers life = sin
Taking anothers life in self defence = no sin.
Being seen in a bar often = sin 1 Thess 5:22
Being seen in a bar occasionaly to reach unsaved = no sin
Entering a house and all alone with the opposite sex = sin
Entering a house and all alone with the opposite sex to save them from comitting suicide = no sin
Taking mark of beast = sin
Taking mark of beast if it gauranteed your wife and kids will live on and have opportunity to go to heaven = no sin John 15:13
Fornication = sin
Fornication if you are Adam and Eve / only two people on an island = no sin
Gluttony / over indulgence of food = sin
3 days gluttony after a 10 day fast = no sin
The list is endless!
Conclusion: Intention is everything. In the OT a panel of elders would judge all cases where the law was broken. It was not always black and white.
Lie = sin
Lying to save a life = no sin John 15:13!
Taking anothers life = sin
Taking anothers life in self defence = no sin.
Being seen in a bar often = sin 1 Thess 5:22
Being seen in a bar occasionaly to reach unsaved = no sin
Entering a house and all alone with the opposite sex = sin
Entering a house and all alone with the opposite sex to save them from comitting suicide = no sin
Taking mark of beast = sin
Taking mark of beast if it gauranteed your wife and kids will live on and have opportunity to go to heaven = no sin John 15:13
Fornication = sin
Fornication if you are Adam and Eve / only two people on an island = no sin
Gluttony / over indulgence of food = sin
3 days gluttony after a 10 day fast = no sin
The list is endless!
Conclusion: Intention is everything. In the OT a panel of elders would judge all cases where the law was broken. It was not always black and white.
If I am hiding Jews in Nazi Germany and I lie and say no Jews here - they search anyway and all of us go o the concentration camp and die. So my lie is self serving and in a good cause. But Nazi Germany and apartheid all gone now... And unless you heard differently, no antichrist ruling yet. If some crazy person comes looking for somebody and I'm hiding them...well I would have already called the police by the time they banged on my door because chances are crazy person will shoot me first and then go looking for the person I am trying to protect. Lies aren't likely to do any good.
I agree with CC - lies are from the father of lies. Find a better way to protect both yourself and anybody else.
I agree with CC - lies are from the father of lies. Find a better way to protect both yourself and anybody else.
Who will dare to lay a charge against Rahab? Well you will not lay a charge against me either! If I need to lie to save an innocent person, then its not really a "lie" its love!
Ro 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
There is nothing that blinds people like the hypocrisy of SELF-righteousness!
Ro 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
There is nothing that blinds people like the hypocrisy of SELF-righteousness!
You got it here Cosmo...your heart can look upon Christ and see that grace and truth came in His Love!
If I gave you the options of 1. Take the mark or 2. Watch your kids tortured and raped. You would take 2?
You are not dealing with the title by saying this. The title is asking ''will you lie, if it meant a life would be saved' (as a result of the lie)?
Soldiers grow to trust people. A 'no' from them is = no search.
You think that will be an option? Your wife and children live and get the mark of the beast, anyways, and then lose eternal salvation (as do you). I'm female btw, but I would rather be raped, tortured and slain than give up my eternal soul and salvation with God.
I would do all I could possibly do to save a life, innocent in my judgement or not, but I would find a way not to lie - I hope. When I have been faced with critical problems like you have stated, I found a way. But I admit, I had time to think it thru.
I'm going by scripture, KingJ, and I would not take the mark for any reason. I didn't say God wouldn't forgive me for lying, either. If I thought a lie would save a life and felt I had no other choice, I would probably try it as a last resort. In my experience, lies are traps and generally don't get you what you want, except sometimes when you are short on time. You are better off misdirecting, asking questions and staying silent.
What is this but another sneaky way to lie?
Now the question is answered
. I agree with this. Though I know that in reality that 'last resort' comes very quickly when dealing with intimidating people.
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I do agree with silk KingJ. We are to resist the mark at all costs. Even if that means we and our family has to die.
But I believe in pre-trib rapture, so it's not my concern.
But I believe in pre-trib rapture, so it's not my concern.
I have said from the beginning, that I agreed wih Glomung. Was Christ being sneaky by omitting info the Pharisees could twist? There is always a way to say truth - and being silent or misdirecting is not outright lying. Like Rahab did. Before she became a Jewess.
I always thought I was an honest person and so did everyone around me and yet I would call into work for a sick day when I wasn't. When I didn't want to go somewhere with someone I said I had other plans when I didn't. I don't do things like that any more. Stupid lies - little ones - white lies. And then the HS taught me better. Like Christ with the Pharisees, you can tell the truth and avoid their traps better without lies. Even little lies created ripples that go on forever and each one has a consequence. So if I was trying to save a life, I would do it without direct lies. Omitting and misdirecting and silence is not the same. But I would do that in a good cause. Otherwise I have no reason to.
Look Silk..by the grace of God...I do not lie nor do I uphold lying...but I think an important truth can be seen in this thread about the difference between being under the law "letter" and being under the "law of Christ" love...and every point I have tried to make has been to show and prove the law of love as Gods true standard for believers.
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