1. Hello Guest! You are browsing the forums as a guest; you will have limited permissions as a guest so we advise registering to enjoy the forums fully. Remember: we are a Christian ONLY site - any user who is not Christian will not be approved. Blessings, Christian Forum Site Staff
    Dismiss Notice

Before The "gods"

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by SueJLove, Feb 5, 2014.

  1. Wednesday, February 05, 2014, 7:00 a.m. – As I sat down to have my quiet time with the Lord Jesus, he put the song “He Reached Down” in my mind. Speak, Lord, your words to my heart. I read Psalm 138 (ESV).

    Above All Things

    When God the Father raised Jesus Christ from the dead, he “seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet…” (See Eph. 1:20-23). “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together… that in everything he might be preeminent” (See Col. 1:15-18).

    In other words, God the Son, Jesus Christ, is above all rulers and powers (“gods”) on this earth. They were all created by him, and he is before them in that he always existed along with God the Father (See John 1). He is ahead of them in power, rule and sovereignty. They do not exist apart from him, and they have no power apart from him, too, for “there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God” (See Rom. 13:1). All things on this earth are under his feet and in him ALL THINGS hold together, i.e. all things consist, reside, are supported by, maintained, continue, and are governed, directed and managed by him. “In him we live and move and have our being” (Ac. 17:28). This means that no rulers or powers or anything or anyone can exist without God and/or without God’s permission and/or plan, and no evil can prevail but what God permits (not creates) it for a time and a purpose. As well, he will work everything out for good for those who love him and who have been called according to his purpose. In this we can rest assured that God has everything under his control and that his purposes will always prevail.

    The prophets of old prophesied about a time in their future when evil would reign on the earth in the last days, when the false trinity of beast, false prophet and dragon would rule over the people of the earth, and when this evil trio would be given permission by God to conquer even the saints of Almighty God, but only for a short and predetermined period of time (See Rev. 12-13). I don’t know the timing of those events or even if they are to take place over a period of a literal seven years, though they may, but what I do know is that this beast (New World Order) is presently forming, and it is conquering peoples, nations, governments and followers of Jesus Christ throughout the globe on its quest for world domination. I believe we are not far from the fulfillment of these prophecies of scripture. I believe, as well, that most, if not all of these recent national uprisings and government takeovers throughout the world are the working of this New World Order Beast, and that it has its origins in the U.S. government, the United Nations and the institutional church. Yet, they blame other groups, some of which are of their own making, for their own dirty work.

    Bold and Courageous

    I believe the opposition to the Syrian government and their people is this N.W.O. Beast and its “Roman” army (or Hitler-like military forces). I believe this N.W.O. Beast and its global “Roman” army is also creating havoc in Baghdad, and that it is behind these recent bombings. This New World Order regime is behind most all of the world’s chaos, at present, I believe, and for the sole purpose of conquering peoples, nations, governments and followers of Jesus Christ. [Check out the layout, architecture, statues, symbols, etc. within the U.S. capital and its buildings, as well as in its Great Seal, and you will see much demonic and occult symbolism, as well as many “gods” of Greek, Roman and Egyptian mythology, and images related to such governmental structures of old, such as the Fasces (Roman), and throughout Washington D.C., too - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces.]

    This begs the question, “Why would a government ‘of the people, by the people, and for the people’ – a democracy – which claims ‘one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all’ have such symbolism displayed prominently throughout its capital city, in its buildings and in its government and national symbols?” I believe we know why, and we are beginning to see why. We can learn about our government’s intentions in many of their recent laws, including, but not limited to the National Defense Authorization Act of 2014, the Patriot Act, CISPA, and Obamacare, etc.

    I believe that much of the institutional church in the USA is supportive of this global government and its military force, via the U.S. government, and some or many of them in complete ignorance, and that in doing so it is supporting the beast and its conquering of peoples and its persecution and murdering of Christ’s followers throughout the world. Much of today’s institutional church has strayed from the truth of scripture and has gone to following the ways and teachings of humans. Many professing Christians and collective institutional church bodies, I believe, are guilty of persecuting those who hold firm to the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and to the word of God, many doing so in absolute ignorance. Yet, for those of us suffering such persecution, we can stand firm and be bold and courageous. We can sing praises to God “before gods of men,” and we can continue to give testimony to God’s saving grace because our God is exalted above all things. Amen!

    The Midst of Trouble

    We who are suffering such persecution at the hands of this “beast” and/or at the hands of the institutional church can be comforted in knowing that our God is love, he is steadfast, he is faithful, and he is trustworthy. His name and his word are high above all things. When those of us who are his servants call upon him, he will answer, and he will give us all the strength we need to endure, as well as the courage and determination necessary to stand firm in our faith and to keep testifying of his grace. He is sympathetic of our sorrows, heartaches, troubles and distresses, for when he walked the face of this earth he suffered in like manner as us, and was even tempted in the same ways in which we are tempted, yet without sin. So, we can be assured that he knows how we feel, he knows what we are going through, and he is in control (sovereign overall). He will not let us be tempted beyond what we can bear, but will with that temptation provide a way out so we can stand under it. And, he will give us all the grace necessary to remain faithful to him even in the midst of trouble.

    Fulfill His Purpose

    The Lord will fulfill his purpose for me. Amen! He will never leave us or forsake us! He has a plan and a purpose for each one of our lives, and he will work out all things in our lives for good (to those who love him, and who have been called according to his purpose). Jesus is our example, who for the joy set before him, endured the cross, scorning its shame. The joy that was set before him was the salvation of human lives from the bondage and decay of sin. He could endure the cross knowing what the end result would be. Amen! And, we can endure, as well, believing and perhaps even knowing (from scripture) God’s purpose(s) in it all, which is to strengthen and mature us; to make us holy; to teach us perseverance, steadfastness, faithfulness, and endurance; and to build and develop within us godly character. As well, his purpose is that his character would be seen in and through us and from that we would shine like stars in the universe as we hold out the truth of life.

    So, ultimately his purpose is that his church would be godly in character (and/or revived spiritually) and that through his godly (and/or revived) church the world would come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives. That is a purpose I can set before me as the “joy set before me” so that I can endure such persecution for the sake of the name of Jesus and for the sake of his gospel, and that is the joy of the revival of his church and the salvation of human lives from sin. Amen!

    He Reached Down / An Original Work / February 3, 2014

    Based off Psalm 18

    How I love You, Lord,
    My Rock and my strength.
    My God is my fortress;
    I hide in Him.
    He is my shield and the horn of
    My salvation, whom I praise.
    I have found my refuge in Him.

    He reached down from heaven
    And rescued me;
    Drew me out of waters
    So deep, I’d sink.
    He delivered me from Satan
    And my slavery to sin;
    Gave me hope of heaven with Him.

    My God turned my darkness
    Into His light;
    Opened up my blinded eyes;
    Gave me sight.
    As for God, his way is perfect.
    He gives strength to stand secure.
    I have found my vict’ry in Him.

    My Lord lives!
    Praise be to my Savior God,
    Jesus Christ, who died
    On a cruel cross.
    He is my Rock and the source
    Of my salvation, whom I trust.
    I will give praise always to Him.

  2. Well, for one thing, the USA is not a Christian nation and has not been for some time.

    It does not appear to me that the USA is included in the end time prophecies unless we are somehow in the Revived Roman Empire to be controlled by the A/C. That could be through NATO or some such alignment.

    I agree with you that the Biblical prophecies are lined up and are beginning to fall into place.

    IMHO the Rapture is the only thing left to take place Biblically speaking then all the things beginning in the Revelation 4:1 can begin.

    I did not used to believe in the Rapture but I have now come to think that it is valid and very emanate.
  3. Major,

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject. I agree that the USA is not a "Christian" nation. As well, I believe our government was not formed on Christian principles alone, as some have held, but rather has been a pagan nation founded in syncretism, which is evident by all the buildings, layout, structure, architecture, statues, symbols, et al, which have been the foundation of our government from the beginning. I believe, if you do the research, that you will find that the USA was called the "New Rome" or something like that from early on. I very much believe that our government is part of this Revived Roman Empire. As far as the Rapture is concerned, I hold to the post-trib belief, though I certainly will not disagree with God if he proves me wrong. Yet, I don't think that is something we have to decide, because whatever He does is what he had planned all along, and no matter what we believe on that is not really going to matter, because it is not a subject that impacts our eternal security, but if we are counting on a pre-trib rapture, and it doesn't happen, it could shake some folks faith.
  4. Sue, after years of study on that, I believe the Bible tells us that there are TWO resurrections. First is the Rapture and it is for the believers and then "POST Trib" as you said for all un-believers.

    That answers all of my questions and allows for all the Biblical prophecies to fall into place uniformly. Now, I do not argue that with anyone as it is what appears to be the case TO ME.

    You may be very correct on the founding in syncretism. Although, remember that 100% of all the first pilgrims were due to a church re-location from I believe it was The Netherlands, the Church of England.

    Seems that started off right but wandered off into something else. Do you agree that "freemasonry" is what is evidenced by the structures and phallic type symbolic buildings?
  5. I agree with Sue's thoughts on the rapture (if it doesn't happen etc) and I'm not gonna argue about the US government may be aligned with evil. But as far as I am concerned, the US is a Christian country, formed on Christian principles.
  6. Agreed!

    Again, it seems we began right but have wandered a long way off the path.

    By the way..........does anyone know what the #1 money making sites are on the internet?????????


    We have come a long way baby!

  7. Rofl - sorry I can't help it. How come I don't know anyone who goes to those sites? Just teasing but seriously, the best place to catch a virus is at those sites. Ok I'm still laughing, I meant a computer STD. Sorry Sue.
  8. Sorry - I better explain myself - porn sites are notorious fronts for Hackers and as soon as you go there they fix on your IP address and then it's just a matter of time.

    I should have also noted that I agree that these times are upon us and we should prepare.
  9. Yes mam!
  10. What does "ROFL" mean????
  11. Rofl=rolling on floor laughing. The smiley face :ROFLMAO: means rolling on the floor laughing my arse off.

Share This Page