It sounds more in line of a Candid Camera or Twilight Zone type flick to me…or better yet a Get Smart episode.
Balloon From China
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Major I do recall saying your post was some funny in my reply 91. Do pay attention to what you read. Sorry to know that you not understand others jokes
What point am I missing. Everyone knows your airspace was violated. By air balloon the other objects shot down we not even know if they belong to China. More observant leadership would have shot the balloon shot down long before it passed over your missile silos. You think it’s worth starting a war over a balloon for violating your airspace . That’s the point period. You should be asking your government why they allowed why the 1st balloon to happily waddle across America for almost a wk if it was such a breach of security. Something just doesn’t add up. To be continued
We count 11 active aircraft carriers unless you including your helo carriers that make 20 but even if 15 aircraft carriers. How much of that vast amarda of 350 Ships are you going to send considering you have your own National security to worry about. You know like your old buddies in Russia. That sort of levels the playing field some. I think I said that the Chinese navy would not like to tangle with your aircraft carrier fleet out in deep sea . But closer to home may be a different story where they can bring the entirety of their military might to bear.
Major firstly I think that was a discussion started by Bob in post 84 not by me. But I be sure to let moderator Bob that you not happy about any after snack topics on your post : But to your question and your assumption of what I said. No that not be what I meant. What I did mean was that the Beastly masculinity within men when it comes to sexuality and procreation be as normal as when a stallion mounts his philly as with all of Gods creation when it comes to sexual masculinity. It not be the the sexual act that corrupts. Be that of masculine or feminine. But only from the mind is it corrupted from all manner of thoughts. As Christ said it’s how we think in our hearts and minds is where the problem lies . Our inherited nature which often brings forth the full fruition of sin in so many ways if not checked.
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is it worth starting a war? NO but it is time to make a firm sound statement . the united states has a powerful military. provided we allow them to do there job. if its a known violation of any nation air space . firm action should be taken if its a jet/plane escort it out point is America needs stand up. we prosecute our won for doing a job they was trained to do. Australia should be the same.
i use to like U.F.C fighting there was two top contenders one was expert in martial arts the other just right down to Fighting.. i watched the two fight the martial art expert got the win by submission.. this was a type tournament where they moved on to the next fight.
the winner had to op out of the next fight.. the grappler put a hurt on him . the united states use to be respected we freed Europe of the the German army . you got to stand for something or your bound to fall for anything.
id ont always agree with major on some issues. But in this case i agree %100 . yes i agree with this
lot of things dont add up .but in the Long run we have to guard of air space and coastlines
Forgiven that’s correct it be a known violation of your air space by a Chinese UNMANNED Balloon. The others we not be so sure about as yet. Standard procedure you simply escort or hunt the intruder out of your air space or blow what ever it is out of the sky. Nothing more to be said . Tomorrow be a new day and a new beginning. Life does go on. Glad to know that we agree that there be no for such over over a hot air balloon. And that’s all I’ve ever said. The wrestling I not know so much about are they as Big as the Suma wrestlers in Japan : ) but I think I understand what you say. Agreed. People who don’t stand or believe anything generally go with the crowd and believe anything.
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Not to be pedantic, but these were NOT hot air balloons. They were bags filled with a lighter gas (probably helium) carrying large payloads. Much more sophisticated. They probably had the ability to adjust their height to find the wind going where they wanted. I think they said that the payload for one was the size of a couple of buses, and another was the size of a small car. You can put a lot of sensors in that kind of space.
I can imagine them getting data on the materials used to shield our silos and precision mapping of their location, etc. All of this would be of great value if an exchange occurs.
And they did not just FLOAT......they were directed over specific areas.
FOX News report.......
China spy balloon shows country is preparing citizens for war that could come at ‘any time’: expert
China's spy balloon flying over Montana shows that the country is preparing its citizens for war that could come at any time, an expert told Fox News Digital.
"China is preparing to go to war," Chang, author of "The Coming Collapse of China," said. "It’s engaged in extremely provocative and dangerous activities around its periphery, and war could come at any time and at any place."
Chang told Fox News Digital that decades of inaction to combat Chinese aggression in Taiwan and the South China Sea and across the globe have created an atmosphere where China does not fear repercussions for acts of aggression, such as the spy balloon that has been floating over the United States for days.
Are these blimps or balloons? Blimps have steering capabilities, but I don't see how balloons can have accurate steering capabilities. Depending on shifting winds for steering seems unreliable, especially at 60,000 feet.And they did not just FLOAT......they were directed over specific areas.
FOX News report.......
China spy balloon shows country is preparing citizens for war that could come at ‘any time’: expert
China's spy balloon flying over Montana shows that the country is preparing its citizens for war that could come at any time, an expert told Fox News Digital.www.foxnews.com
"China is preparing to go to war," Chang, author of "The Coming Collapse of China," said. "It’s engaged in extremely provocative and dangerous activities around its periphery, and war could come at any time and at any place."
Chang told Fox News Digital that decades of inaction to combat Chinese aggression in Taiwan and the South China Sea and across the globe have created an atmosphere where China does not fear repercussions for acts of aggression, such as the spy balloon that has been floating over the United States for days.
I have NO idea.
However......... John Villasenor, director of the Institute for Technology, Law and Policy and a professor of electrical engineering, law, public policy and management at the University of California, Los Angeles said........
“The only balloons I’ve ever heard of are the ones that can go up and down or the ones that don’t do anything—they just go completely at the mercy of the winds,” he says. “But the phrasing from these spokespeople seems to suggest some greater degree of control than that. I don’t know what that means, but I think it’s notable.... It adds some more complexity to the whole thing.”
Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-spy-balloon-has-unexpected-maneuverability/
So what is your angle. What do you do with that. Other than blowing them out of the sky.
We still classify it in the balloon category even if be a lighter gas . Yes the first one the size of 2 buses the others much smaller. I see China’s new secret of which a ww2 fighter could easily shoot down and probably ww2 radar technology could easily have detected long before posed any threat . China has much more efficient ways of spying like with their high tech satellites. The reality is that no nation would expect or use a balloon as their as their main weapon of intelligence gathering in today’s world. Maybe in the 50’s and 60’s. And the reality is that they should have been all blown out of the sky long before they became a security threat.
So? Does this change the intent of the sender?
Actually 3 buses.
Again, no, WWll radar was not that sophisticated. Also WWII aircraft were not capable of attaining the altitudes of 60,000 feet needed to engage this type of threat with the ordnance available at that time.
If no advantage is to be gained then why the financial and political investment?
Who has claimed this?
However these are absolutely part of an arsenal used to steal information, technology and military secrets.
Speaking for myself only, I see Americans are as united in their understanding and unhappiness of this incident(s) as I have seen them in any issue recently.
There is a position in the thread that seems to be talking on the role of apologetics for the illegal actions of a foreign entity. This may not be intentional, however this is the impression.
Not every American trusts the motives and actions of either group of US politicians, but most do agree we trust certain foreign governments even less, and that is a rare point of agreement in this country and so it is indeed an ill wind that blows no good.
God bless.
i dont hold all the answers.. first we have to locate the source . find a way to stop the source.. we can pint point anything we want with satellite technology . cut it off just like you kill a snake cut its head off. the words of GEN Collin Powell in dessert storm were going to cut it in half circle it and Kill it. you seem to be some what critical of what the u.s is doing
they are professional fighters . my point was sometimes you got to hurt them to get your point across. throw a rock at a hornets nest and hit it. odds are your going to get stung. there sending a message leave us ALONE
Blue skies my apologies that is correct. No WW2 aircraft ever flew to the hight of 60,000 feet. You ask ( if no advantage is to be gained than why the financial and political investment ) For a whole lot reasons weather agencies rely on them, meteorological etc. And far more cheaper than having to use a satellite to gauge such things. ( Who has claimed this ) you ask. Well that’s pretty self explanatory. Why would you go to the expense of creating spy balloons solely to spy on America, or China or Russia for that matter when the chances of them getting through should almost be zero chance of success . Unless of course it be that national security are not doing their job. I dare say balloons are still used in some military capacity. But certainly not compared to the capacity of intelligence they are able to gather from satellites in earth’s obit which can read your daily newspaper for you if you like. There also there be no violation of air space in earth orbit to worry about . You ask ( does that change the intent of the sender) Blue skies I’m not really sure of the intent or wether it was intentional at all. As to 3 buses some say 2 depending on who you read and depending on the size of the bus in question I guess though some of these balloons gadgetry can be as long as the size of a football field.
That's quite surprising in an age of 'micro/nano chip technology'.
Maybe I be a bit critical of it all when your present government turned a blind eye to the China virus. The world all suffered the grim reality of that causing millions of deaths and our economies damaged very much. We did question the homeland very much on that. Australia receive double punishment having our wine exports and harvests cancelled along with our shipments of ore for a time. China suddenly claim the iron ore shipments be contaminated, even if we have the best quality grade of ore in the world. So yes all things considered I find rather contradictory that you now want to hold them accountable over a mere ballon intrusion.