Irresistible Grace & People "falling Away" From Christianity. How Does This Happen?
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But you have a choice to be disobedient if you want. That means you have a free will to choose right from wrong.
No just making the point that a "choice" does not mean "free-will' that is a pretty simple concept. A man on death row, gets to decide his last meal...
Thats right I was a slave to sin, I had no choice but to sin, so he gave me another choice I could make. He gave me a free will to choose to either be set free or stay in bondage.
no that means I die daily to my own will and allow Gods Will to work in me unto obedience ...
I just pray for God's will to be done like Christ said to do. Which is interesting because whether I pray for it to be done or not, it will still be done.. I guess that's predestination for ya.Guess I didn't see anyone not caring.
I will quickly admit that as a still-adjusting Reformed person, I am still confused about how to pray for the lost. I just keep doing what I did as an Arminian and hope it is not an affront yo G-d.
That's surrender...not free-will! You could not save yourself by free-will! you HAD TO surrender to Gods will!
A man on death row has no hope of getting out of his sentence , but we do. We have a free will choice to either believe or not.No just making the point that a "choice" does not mean "free-will' that is a pretty simple concept. A man on death row, gets to decide his last meal...
I can not surrender unless I make a free will choice to surrender.
Does this really sound like free-will?
Php 2:12 ¶ Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Php 2:12 ¶ Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Well surrender is not free-will, no matter how you try to add this unbiblical term into the equation. How can a slave surrender to a power greater than himself and then brag about his free-will?
Those words were addressed to the Apostles and sounds to me like a teacher, telling his students, that don't just obey me in the classroom, but even more so without from the classroom. And it implies that they could disobey.
You mean a bond servant who has been set free, but has decided to stay with his master. The bond servant used his free will to choose to surrender and stay with his master.Well surrender is not free-will, no matter how you try to add this unbiblical term into the equation. How can a slave surrender to a power greater than himself and then brag about his free-will?
Right and you had no choice but as a slave to sin, and you only had no part in salvation but to surrender to Gods Will and mercy...Now to call that free-will is just silly.
Well surrender is not free-will, no matter how you try to add this unbiblical term into the equation. How can a slave surrender to a power greater than himself and then brag about his free-will?
when the slave is free? The only way the slave gets free is his/her choice.
No he was a slave to sin, in bondage to sin and under threat of destruction and death...
Nobody wakes up one morning submitted to God. They have to make that choice to be submitted.
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