Are we talking about apostacy in general (what it is, and what are its consequences)?What about someone, who accepted Jesus early in their life (Teens) then later in life (mid 40s') decides he no longer believes and chooses atheism instead.
Doesn't the bible tell us it will be worse for him than if he had never believed? In other words can you choose to give up your salvation?
This thread is currently being monitored and I asked permission for this thread to continue so far that every participant is courteous and civil and not bicker and argue and cause division.I am cognizant that this strays counter to the rule regarding proscribed subjects (once saved always saved).
I beg the indulgence of the proctors and ask that discussion from all viewpoints be permitted if we can keep things civil.
I read about two people that said they believed when they were young but now don't believe that God even exists. It would seem to me that IF they truly believed when they were younger and are now really atheist that they would no longer have salvation, not because they lost it but rather they threw it away.Are we talking about apostacy in general (what it is, and what are its consequences)?
I do hope so........but????I am cognizant that this strays counter to the rule regarding proscribed subjects (once saved always saved).
I beg the indulgence of the proctors and ask that discussion from all viewpoints be permitted if we can keep things civil.
Yep. I agree with Panda. It will cause a lot of arguments.I'm absolutely NOT going to get involved in this conversation for a reason. It's a doctrinal and deeply divisive topic that is definitely best served by your local church because the beliefs that are going to invariable become heavily debated here are not going to resolve this topic. I will personally leave it for the moment, but I do expect this topic to be closed VERY soon as per the list of topics that are not allowed to be discussed here.
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Can not happen! YOU my dear are the best MOD!This thread is currently being monitored and I asked permission for this thread to continue so far that every participant is courteous and civil and not bicker and argue and cause division.
Hopefully another more knowledgable Mod will be here soon and look into it
This is a question that has been kicked around for centuries. It is not new. It is also a very divisive question.So a question came up during a discussion-
“If you forget to confess a sinful thought while driving and get into a fatal accident, do you go to hell?”
So my question is can you lose your salvation? And if so, how?
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So my question is can you lose your salvation? And if so, how?
Lol first thread and I’m already getting in trouble of course. To be honest I didn’t know it was such a hot topic. The question really came from me watching the first God’s not dead movie and thinking about what happened to the professor at the end of the movie. And I’m sure you guys know the bases of the movie so I don’t need to explain it but at the end the professor gets hit by a car and is left little to no time. Then a pastor is right there to kinda guide him back into salvation… thank God. But then I thought what if the pastor wasn’t there and the professor never changed his mind. But I guess it’s safe to say that if that was the case then the professor would have not been saved because at the end of the day he chose to turn his back on God because of the pain of losing his mother. I guess what I take away from it is that at the end of the day we all have to make a choice and then stand by that choice. I like BigMoose analogy of are you bought and paid for? or are you just renting the spirit?So, Hershey40, I am treading carefully here due to the subject matter being one that has a history of controversial and contentious debates.
I don’t believe you can “loose” salvation unwillingly, or said another way, without your consent. This implies being passively involved in an un pardonable event or circumstance; a victimization befalling a true believer.
I do believe you can choose to abandon the Word in ignorant willfulness and choose to become an apostate, but this would involve a deliberate and a participatory decision and subsequent action(s) that goes far beyond any involuntary action or accidental thought.
Our Lord love us and He is merciful.
Matthew 18:21-22
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
All this is my opinion only and I am not interested in defending or debating these thoughts.
You aren't in trouble. It is a pretty hot button issue that is so often hotly debated that we don't allow it to be discussed here because it ALWAYS leads to arguments. You are fine. It also was due to you joining at the exact time that we had an issue sending staff emails, so again, you weren't aware through no fault of your own. I will close this topic now as most of the main ideas have been expressed and it hasn't gotten out of hand yet.Lol first thread and I’m already getting in trouble of course. To be honest I didn’t know it was such a hot topic. The question really came from me watching the first God’s not dead movie and thinking about what happened to the professor at the end of the movie. And I’m sure you guys know the bases of the movie so I don’t need to explain it but at the end the professor gets hit by a car and is left little to no time. Then a pastor is right there to kinda guide him back into salvation… thank God. But then I thought what if the pastor wasn’t there and the professor never changed his mind. But I guess it’s safe to say that if that was the case then the professor would have not been saved because at the end of the day he chose to turn his back on God because of the pain of losing his mother. I guess what I take away from it is that at the end of the day we all have to make a choice and then stand by that choice. I like BigMoose analogy of are you bought and paid for? or are you just renting the spirit?