How does a "two state" solution impact the people of Gaza?
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I personally think that many miss the point of the Gaza/Israel Conflict ... innocent civilians and children are starving and dying, as the World watches on or buries their heads in the sand (mho)
The reason for my posting this topic, is NOT to cause disharmony or challenge anyone's belief, rather my intension is to draw attention to an ongoing conflict that has escalated beyond an acceptable level (to say the least) ... it is INHUMANE!
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Do we really know the Truth, as this situation seems to be so politican with a lot of propaganda. Are the children and innocent people who are SUFFERING, STARVING and DYING not the REAL ISSUE?
Who is responsible for the SUFFERING, STARVING, and DYING? A lot of people suffered and died in Germany as a result of allied bombing. Who was responsible for their suffering and dying?
This is very well said BibleLover. This topic... ( even though it has been CIVIL) ... is one that NO one can DISCUSS with full certainty of TRUTH. We are seeing with our EYES what is happening but unlike God... we cannot see or know it in full.
They are certainly victims, but of whom?
Is Gaza a "state"? Is Hamas their "leaders"? Did Hamas declare "war" on Israel?
Either Gaza is self governing and thus responsible for its own actions, or it is not and Israel must govern it accordingly.
One should ask Hamas to lay down their arms. Only then will the suffering end.
Palestinians are the ethic group that lives in Gaza...right?
It was established and it became a refuge for those Palestinians who fled after the 1948 Palestine War that they instigated and lost in 1948............Right?
A 2 state solution would establish one for Israel and One for the Palestinians in Gaza.......Right?
That very proposal has been offered twice and was rejected twice by the Palestinians.
Hamas hard-liners and its most senior leader from 2017 to 2024, rejected a two-state solution.
Yes I think that we do know.
Yes......children and innocent people are suffering, but what about those children in Israel that were killed by Hamas rockets and the 1200 innocent people slaughtered on Oct 7th.
That invasion by Hamas FROM Gaza was not propaganda but is a fact and an act of war. When any group of people, invade and attack another group that is an act of war and in war everyone suffers.
With all due respect to you and in Christian love......you are looking at this with biased blinders on my dear friend.
NO ONE....can do what was done to Israel over and over and over and nt expect the hammer to fall.
Allow me to ask you this question. You live in Australia. If New Zealand sent rockets into your capital city every week, killing children and innocent people and then one day they came into Sidney and kidnapped 1200 innocent people, decapitated babies and raped the women and killed them and kept several hundred for bargaining chips.....what would Australia do?????
We both know what they would do because WAR has ramifications!
For me.....I appreciate any and all interactions on hard topics to talk about.
Now please allow me to say this......I agree with your opinion.
The action going on in Gaza is terrible. No sane person would disagree with that. The real question however is.....
Is it what has to be done to have peace?
However, we must not be so biased in our observations so as to look past the fact that what is going on was "invited".
Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon are terrorists Muslim people who have hammered Israel for years. Hundreds of Israeli children and innocent people have been killed and thousands more injured. They have ONE goal in life and that is to totally remove the nation of Israel from existance.
The nation of Israel took as much as they could take and the WAR that started on Oct 7th has ramifications.
I know how brutal that sounds but that is the reality of WAR.
We should also remember that what is going on is not new. I call your attention to 1 Samuel 15:3......
"Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’
The context there was that the Amalekites launched a cowardly and unprovoked attack on the weary stragglers at the rear of Israel’s camp (Deuteronomy 25:17-18). These people were the elderly, the weak, and the children—those who could not defend themselves.
In response, God declared that He would have “war with Amalek from generation to generation” (Exodus 17:16).
While many view the command in 1 Samuel 15 as sudden or harsh, it is critical to realize that it came after approximately 400 years of divine patience. God delayed the execution of judgment on the Amalekites to give them time to repent. This is consistent with God’s character, as seen in His dealings with other nations.
For example, in Genesis 15:16, God told Abraham that the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full, meaning He would wait until their sin reached its peak before acting. Similarly, God gave the Amalekites ample opportunity to turn from their wicked ways, but they continued in their hostility toward Israel.
The judgment pronounced in 1 Samuel 15 was not the result of one isolated event, but a culmination of persistent, unrepentant wickedness spanning centuries.
Just as with the Palestinians of Gaza, The Amalekites’ sin was not limited to a single attack. They repeatedly demonstrated a pattern of violence and aggression.
The original 2 state solution was approved by the Arabs and established Israel and Jordan, now they want more of Israel until there is no Israel. I believe this will be the peace agreement brought by the beast.
The Balfour agreement split "Palestine into 2 nations, the Arabs were given their choice of either east or west of the Jordan River. The Arabs chose east which is now called Jordan. Even the Jordanians don't want today's Palestinians in their country. Israel was established on the west side, including the Gaza strip. Israel gave the strip to the Palestinians as a gesture of peace. We can see the Bible accurately calls them a wild ass of a man. There is no peace with them, they(the Palestinians) want total annihilation of the Jews.
Dave said, "There is no peace with them, they(the Palestinians) want total annihilation of the Jews."
They have never been ambiguous about this! They have said and written they do not want peace - they must see the annihilation of the Jews.
I had to laugh when Bill Clinton actually believed he could broker peace between the Jews and the so-called Palestinians! Arafat told Clinton his demands, and they were insane. Clinton set up a meeting, and at the meeting, Israel's PM agreed to all of the demands. (The PM of Israel had Yasser Arafat's number - he was keenly aware of Arafat's statements, etc.) Arafat refused to sign and walked off the platform.
To anyone who isn't sure who's the good guy in all of this, I just have to congratulate the Palestinians for a propaganda war very well executed. They did what they did on October 7th, and still, people aren't sure who is the bad guy!!!
They have never been ambiguous about this! They have said and written they do not want peace - they must see the annihilation of the Jews.
I had to laugh when Bill Clinton actually believed he could broker peace between the Jews and the so-called Palestinians! Arafat told Clinton his demands, and they were insane. Clinton set up a meeting, and at the meeting, Israel's PM agreed to all of the demands. (The PM of Israel had Yasser Arafat's number - he was keenly aware of Arafat's statements, etc.) Arafat refused to sign and walked off the platform.
To anyone who isn't sure who's the good guy in all of this, I just have to congratulate the Palestinians for a propaganda war very well executed. They did what they did on October 7th, and still, people aren't sure who is the bad guy!!!
Agreed and well said. Arafat walked away from a peace deal because he know that there was more money available to him if the status stayed the same.
It has always been amazing to me to see how easy it is to manipulate the minds of people.
There's 3 sides to every story; side-A, side-B and the truth.
The innocent and the children from both sides are suffering and need aide. That is a major issue.
What about those innocent children? Theyre suffering / lose of life isnt more or less than those who are suffering and dying today in Israel or in Gaza. When it comes to the innocent and especially the children, we must not show partiality.
Now. An act of war warrants retaliation. Unfortunately, the innocent everyday people are the ones who truly suffer.
Israel uses it's fighting force to protect their people, Hamas uses their people to protect their fighting force. That is why so many innocent people are suffering. Hamas has refused to release hostages and does not want a peaceful resolution, they want Israel to stop existing as a people. Hamas is a terrorist organization that doesn't care who gets hurt in their desire to destroy Israel.
The main difference between conventional western military forces and the Islamic irregular military forces is that western regular military forces are used to shield and protect their citizens while Islamic forces cowardly use their people as hostages to shield and protect their fighters from being attacked. Historically Islamic forces have never been honorable combatants, especially devout fundamentalists. Islam's code of honor specializes in the practice of perfidy.
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As I said before, how do we know the Truth? Only God know the Real Trugh. We are fed so much propaganda. My point is, why most of the world turning a blind eye to the suffering ... oh! okay I get it, they deserved it : (
I have family living in Israel. I support Jews For Jesus and they keep me informed, as well.
How did "Hamas" just walk through the "fence" on that dreadful day?
Why do you put Hamas in quotation marks?
I am sure that you are a well meaning Christian! However, your "bias" for the Hamas Palestinians is obvious!
I do not ever tell anyone anything but dont you think that a little more leverage is need in your thinking????
The Hamas terrorists did not walk through the fence. That comment right there is what is called "propaganda"!
By your suggestion of "walk through the fence", you are implying that there was some kind of coercion or agreement with Israel to allow the action of War that tool place.
However, real news footage from the BBC News Network taken by militants and civilians on the ground to piece together how Hamas
co-ordinated their most sophisticated attack ever from Gaza.
Hamas itself says it fired 5,000 in the first round rockets into Israel. Hamas fighters bypassed the barrier completely, by flying over it on paragliders and by boat. Hamas terrorists used motorbikes, each carrying two militants armed with rifles, passing through a hole which had been cut in the wire fence section of the barrier. At a less guarded section, a bulldozer was seen demolishing a stretch of barbed wire-topped fencing.
Israel says 100 people - soldiers and civilians - have been abducted.
Actual film Footage taken in the town of Be'ri and verified by the BBC shows around four civilians being forcibly led away by militants.
Several actual videos have circulated online of Israelis, some of them heavily injured, being paraded through Gaza's crowded streets.
Other verified atrocities by the BBC Network and videos by Hamas terrorists themselves, too graphic to publish were captured on camera, including a motorist being dragged from his car and having his throat slashed, and the bodies of dead civilians and soldiers being defiled.
All of that does not support a walk through the fence but a coordinated act of WAR!
Now.....when you poke a sleeping bear, you better be prepared for what comes next and dont complain when it comes!