Why We Are Losing

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Mike Flanaganmenstein, Jul 7, 2014.

  1. If you look at and compare statistics on the breakdown of Christians and atheists/agnostics in western country populations you will unquestionably see a rise of secularism and attitudes changing towards Christianity and it's role in society and culture. The only question that remains is why are we losing?

    Hello everybody its me Mike F. You may know me from some of my comments on various posts throughout this site and one of my latest threads in which the word contentious is given a whole new meaning. In this post I shall examine some potential reason as to why we are seeing such a deviation from Christianity and an increase in secular attitudes within western countries and what we can do as Christians to fix this.

    One of the biggest problems is what we try and justify and rationalize as Christians. My last post was bitter sweet as I saw so many bright and kind brothers and sisters in Christ come out and participate in civil conversation and dissent. Unfortunately the bitterness manifested itself from these same wonderful people trying to justify acts that are parallel to satanism. Genocide, mass killings of innocent men women and children and infanticide (the killing of infants) can never be justified in my opinion and would clearly never be justified by Jesus himself. Romans 12:17 KJV "Repay no one evil for evil" and Matthew 5:39 KJV "But whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also". These passages clearly show that Jesus was a pacifist and would never condone any kind of killing PERIOD. I was absolutely horrified to see how many "Christians" not only defended such execrable acts, but at the same time totally negated any quote that I mentioned from Jesus.

    We are better than this fellow sheep! When we try and justify these types of acts we are acting like a wild pack of muslims or satanic devil worshipers! Ignoring child abuse is something the dang pope would do!

    Think about it like this; Imagine you are a Godless soul in search of new life. In one corner we have muslims and Christians justifying the killing of innocent people but then saying that they are religions of peace. In the other corner we have secularists telling us that they want peace and harmony and condemning the killing of innocent people, and rightfully so! Now tell me, in this hypothetical situation who would you throw in with? The hypocrites or the ones who stand up for what is right!

    So many times I hear my fellow Christians complain about how America is going down hill and losing its christian morals and values. I can't help but think, maybe if we were more loving and consistent with our beliefs we wouldn't have to shoot ourselves in the foot and chase people away! Luckily for us there is a way out. And his name is JESUS. Lets put away the barbaric acts of one race and turn to a man who shaped his whole career on peace and love and maybe things will start to turn in the right direction again.

    My last thread had a pole attached to it. 77% of the people who participated said that killing infants is wrong and can never be justified. Maybe what our religion needs is less talk from the know it all pharisees and more talk from those who stand up for whats right, but are intimidated into silence, lets start hearing those voices now.

    God bless you all -
    Mike Flanaganmenstein
  2. Are you a pacifist in all situations?
  3. As a sinful human no but that does not mean that I don't aspire to be the ultimate perfect pacifist as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was.
  4. I have no desire for violence but if I have to I can get medieval on someone. An example is if someone is hurting my loved ones.
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  5. Most "secularists," as you put it, are all for killing. They may say that they don't want war or any hate, yet the same people are more than willing to abort child after child to continue their selfish lifestyle.

    I don't know if Christians are "losing" regardless of what stats say. If people don't want salvation, they don't have to have it. They will lose in the end because of it and face the consequences.
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  6. Last time I checked every president who has taken us to war has been Christian. And thats also very judgmental and offensive to say all secularists are for killing. I have many as friends and family and they are kind loving people. You should be ashamed of your comment, as I am. I will say an extra prayer for you tonight O' lost sheep. Bless you

  7. I didn't say anything about Christians being for or against war.
    I'm not trying to be hateful by saying this, but your reading comprehension isn't very high, is it? I said "most" secularists. Read it again.
  8. I read this several times just to make sure I am reading it in the spirit it was written and I am sure of something.

    This is very condescending.

    If you are wondering why Christianity is losing ground read your posts.
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  9. Offering to pray for someone in need is a kind gesture.

    Saying that you are going to pray for someone because you don't agree with them is a direct attack. It undermines the unity of all Christians and drives the unsaved away.
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  11. My reading comprehension is not very good not "high" lol. I think that answers that one LOL God bless you friend thanks for stopping by!
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  12. You can try and put a spin on a prayer all you want friend, it won't stop me from praying. God bless you and thanks for reading!
  13. You didn't read my post. You instead said I said something that I didn't and proceeded to call me stupid when I responded. That kind of stuff can get you banned, my friend.
  14. No worries. My reading compression is bad too. I try to hide it, but someone called me out on it today. :notworthy:
  15. Making things up will get you banned. Never called you stupid. If you can show me where I called you stupid then I will leave this site for good, if not then you should be considered for a ban.
  16. Either way, there is nothing wrong with being stupid. Here is a verse why:

    "For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."
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  17. I should be considered for ban? Alright.
  18. Maybe, just maybe, the route in which the conversation of this thread has turned could be " a reason we are losing?"
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  19. I just read this. In my humble opinion Christians are never losing. The path is narrow, and everything that happens is all part of God's plan. God bless.
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  20. Amen to God is love! God is good! God told us to 'turn the left cheek' in the NT. In the old, He wanted us to love our neighbor as ourselves Lev 19:18. So we have the same God OT and NT, correct?

    So, HOW do you explain these verses to the unsaved?

    1. Gen 6:11-17, Gen 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.
    2. Gen 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).
    3. Exo 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside
    4. Exo 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.
    5. Exo 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.
    6. Exo 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.
    7. Num 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
    8. Num 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.
    9. Num 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
    10. Deut 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.

    1. Matt 10:35-36 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own family.
    2. Matt 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.
    3. Matt 3:42 Some will spend eternity burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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