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What Will God Do with Christ's enemies?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by brixken7, Mar 30, 2015.

  1. What will God do with Christ's enemies?


    In the Bible the term "feet" is often used in a metaphorical way to mean "one's person"; i.e., it's used synonymously for the man himself. A classic example found in both the Old and New Testaments is found in Psalm 8:6 in reference to mankind:

    "Thou made him to have dominion over the works of thy hands;
    thou has put all things under his feet."


    This same expression "under his feet" is also used in a prophecy concerning Christ and his enemies. It's a prophecy found in I Corinthians 15:25 and 27; Ephesians 1:22; and Hebrews 2:8, and its meaning is crystal clear. God has given "all power," meaning all authority in heaven and in earth, to Christ (Matthew 28:18). And eventually we will see "all" under his rule -- but we don't see this "yet" (Hebrews 2:8). Nevertheless, this is a very important prophecy that we as Christians can take comfort in. Unfortunately, however, it is nearly always confused with what is, arguably, a still greater prophecy, the Footstool Prophecy:

    "The Lord" (God the Father) "said unto my Lord" (Christ), 'Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.'"

    (Psalm 110:1, KJV; see also Mark 12:36; Luke 20:43; Acts 2:35; Hebrews 1:13, 10:13, CV). The reader should note that God tells us no less than 6 times in the Bible that He will makes Christ's enemies Christ's "footstool." Now 6 is the number of man (Revelation 13:18), man having been created on the sixth day of the week. This would indicate that this prophecy concerns MAN, what God will do with mankind!

    In addition to this, some Greek manuscripts also repeat this prophecy of Christ's "footstool" in Matthew 22:44 (see e.g., the KJV), making a total of 7 times in which this prophecy can be found in the Bible! And 7 is God's number of completeness and perfection, which means this prophecy points to the completion and the perfection of the work of God! How foolish, therefore, to ignore this oft-repeated prophecy! But God takes pleasure in hiding things (Proverbs 25:2), and He has caused this major prophecy to be written in a veiled language which, seemingly, no one has taken the trouble of deciphering. Obviously to understand its meaning, we will have to understand the meaning of a word that is completely unfamiliar to us in biblical terminology: the word "footstool."

    In order to resolve the issue, I examined more than 10 different Bible dictionaries for their definition of the word "footstool." And while none of them gave a precise definition, a few of them noted that this term was often used in reference to God's temple--which is true. There are 4 times in the Old Testament in which this term is substituted for the word "temple." Here's an example:

    "How hath the Lord...cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!"

    (Lamentations 2:1; see also in I Chronicles 28:2; Psalm 99:5, 132:7). So with this term "footstool" actually synonymous with God's temple, the most logical way to define "footstool" is to define the word "temple." And this is easy. The temple was a "dwelling place" (I Kings 8:13; II Chronicles 6:2; Matthew 23:21). This, then, is the meaning of "footstool." It's a "dwelling place"!

    So what does God mean, then, when He repeatedly says that He will make Christ's enemies his "dwelling place"? How can Christ "dwell" within his enemies?!

    There is only one possible answer. And anyone who is really familiar with the Bible has already guessed it: God is going to place Christ's spirit, which is the spirit of God (Romans 8:9), within Christ's enemies. Thus, Christ will be "in" them, even as he is now "in" God's saints (verse 10). In other words, Christ's enemies will then become the temple of God, even as God's saints are already His temple, His dwelling place upon this earth (II Corinthians 6:16)! (Note: This is why God calls this earth His "footstool" in Matthew 5:35.)

    What we've uncovered here from the Scriptures is proof that all of Christ's enemies will ultimately become converted through the indwelling of God's holy spirit. Not a one of his past, present, or future enemies will be left unconverted! As a result, all of mankind will no longer be at odds with their Maker, and God shall have kept His promise to make Christ's enemies "at peace with him" (Proverbs 16:7)!

    Indeed, God takes delight in concealing such things (Proverbs 25:2).

    --brixken7
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  2. #2 Euphemia, Mar 30, 2015
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    That is a very far-fetched assumption, brixken7, along with your forced meanings of "feet" and "footstool" to meet with your own humanly-concocted meanings.

    You have proved yourself to be a Universalist trying to bring your ideas here. They won't fly.

    Mark 12:36
    For David himself, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said,

    ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
    Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
    until I humble your enemies beneath your feet.’

    Under the feet (authority) of Christ, His enemies will be humbled and punished, especially in the Millennial Age where He will rule over all nations with a rod of iron. Then the end will come:

    In the end, God will dispatch His enemies to the Lake of Fire, to be forever confined away from the righteous.
     
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    Mmmm. Okay, what is YOUR definition of "footstool" -- as found in Lamentations 2:1; I Chronicles 28:2; Psalm 99:5; 132:7?
    By the way, Mark 12:36 does read "footstool" in the original Greek, as well as in multiple translations. -- brixken7
     
  4. I can see a murky outcome to this thread with the current replies.
    I am going to allow this thread to continue on the proviso that ANY replies adhere to the rules, especially:

    Rule 2.1 Common courtesy and civil dialogue is expected from all participants. Common courtesy is a generally understood concept and too broad to fully define here. In short, if you have doubt on whether you should say something, DON'T!
     
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  5. "Footstool" is just that---a footstool, something that one places under one's feet. The imagery is of a conquering King subjecting the enemy beneath one's feet of authority, and the enemy having no choice but to submit to it--and that is a place NOT for the redeemed in Christ.

    1 John 5:12
    Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have God’s Son does not have life.
     
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    I don't think your LITERAL interpretation of "footstool" fits the scriptures in question (Lamentations 2:1; I Chronicles 28:2; etc.). But I thank you for your polite response. -- brixken7
     
  7. It fits well.

    Lamentations 2:1 and 1 Chronicles 28:2 uses the word, 'hadom'.
    H1916
    הדם
    hădôm
    had-ome'
    From an unused root meaning to stamp upon; a foot stool: - [foot-] stool.

    However, Matthew 5:35; Matthew 22:44; Mark 12:36; Mark 20:43; Acts 2:35; Acts 7:49; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 10:13; and James 2:3 ALL mentions in the New Testament are of hupopodion---a literal footstool:
    G5286
    ὑποπόδιον
    hupopodion
    hoop-op-od'-ee-on
    Neuter of a compound of G5259 and G4228; something under the feet, that is, a footrest (figuratively): - footstool.


    Praise God, our conquering King is coming and all His enemies will be placed under His feet! That is no place for His Bride, the Church.
     
  8. I don't know what planet you came from, but it is not earth. There is no way what you are saying is true, not even close!!!
    If you want to try and deceive a group of people you will have to use whole lot of truth, and then add a little lies with it, but in your case you are so off base it is laughable!
     
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  9. Mr brixken7, Ok I am sorry, you are form earth. Let me just say to you that who ever it is that is telling you or teaching you what you just posted here, I would run away from them as fast and as far as I can. No true Christian would ever consider that all people will be saved. That is completely against the Bible in every way!
     
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  11. #11 KingJ, Mar 31, 2015
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    God wanted to make a point that removes all confusion on the future. Jesus was originally at the complete mercy of His enemies. Now for the rest of eternity that will not be the case. His enemies will be at His complete mercy.

    Now we need to acknowledge that being at the mercy of Jesus vs being at the devils mercy are world's apart. This is where I think you will / should find peace.

    Wanting to see everyone in a happy place is your heart's desire and I will argue that it should be the heart of every Christian as it is God's heart.

    As I mentioned in a prior post there is just one 'but'. God can't override the free will of those who hate Him because that requires Him to be evil. But.... God can look after them as much as is possible. Seperating wolves from lambs is not hating wolves.

    Option 2. God tolerates them with Him for all eternity.

    1. He loves them. 2. He knows we love them. 3. He is love. 4. He loves us.

    I believe God is going to be 'tolerating' some of us too :giggle:.
     
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    To Euphemia and fellow members of the Forum...One of the biggest proofs of the meaning of a Greek or Hebrew word is HOW it is used in the Bible. In I Chronicles 28:2 King David said he "had in mind heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building." Now if you substitute "dwelling place" for "footstool" it fits perfectly, does it not? (Would anyone suggest here that David was speaking of a literal footstool?)

    Similarly, in Lamentations 2:1 we read that God "remembered not His footstool in the day of His anger"! Compare this with verse 6 in which we read that God "hath violently taken away His tabernacle..." What else can we conclude from verse 1, except that the term "footstool" here means "dwelling place"? It fits perfectly, and I could cite other examples as well.

    It's not rocket science. A footstool is where you put your feet, and in the Bible the term "feet" can mean the person themselves. Thus, where you put your feet (on a footstool) is where you live, your "dwelling place"!

    According to the Bible, we Christians ourselves were once "enemies" of God and Christ, but since conversion God now "dwells" in us. NO ONE would argue against that. So if one hates the thought of God saving everyone, perhaps a better argument against universalism would be to argue this Footstool Prophecy does not include ALL of Christ's enemies.
    -- brixken7
     
  13. #13 CCW95A, Mar 31, 2015
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    “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life,” (Matt. 25:46).

    “And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,” (2 Thess. 1:9).

    “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name,” (Rev. 14:11).

    “And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever,” (Rev. 20:10).

    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
    Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And
    if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
     
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  14. God's house is the universe. I don't think we will gain much from discussing the footstool. Except that it is an excellant figure of speech.
     
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  15. Yes quite.
     
  16. Christ has no enemy in man, even though many men do not realize this. Christ came to save as many as accept Him. A man may hold Christ as his enemy, but our Lord does not return scorn with scorn.

    Yes, I know that many are called enemies of God. It is more than a figure of speech, but the Lord is not willing that any perish, but that all become His people.
     
  17. I believe that men can be enemies of God. We are born enemies of God until through Jesus we are reconciled to Him.

    Matthew 12:30
    Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

    Romans 5:10
    For since our friendship with God was restored by the death of his Son while we were still his enemies, we will certainly be saved through the life of his Son.

    James 4:4
    Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
     
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  18. Why do you address me in such a way? I have poked a hole in your "scholarship". You have a choice to remain deceived or to stand corrected. As for the Lamentations 2 reference, the footstool is Israel, His people, with whom He dwelled.
     
  19. Interesting.... just curious... what can be reasons for a Universalist to convert a non-Universalist?
     
  20. #20 Euphemia, Mar 31, 2015
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    Who in the entire world, past or present really "hates the thought of God saving everyone"??? God Himself says that He desires that NO ONE should perish, but that all should come to salvation.

    The so-called "Footstool Prophecy" is about God establishing Jesus Christ as King and Lord over all things, literally, and bringing down once and for all His enemies--those who hate Him and have refused salvation, for which they shall meet their eternal end---under His feet.

    Nowhere does He say that He will make His enemies His dwelling place, for His dwelling place is in the hearts of those who love Him, and have received the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.

    Now we, as Gentiles are included in the plan of God for salvation:

    Ephesians 2:22
    Through him you Gentiles are also being made part of this dwelling where God lives by his Spirit.
     
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