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The kingdom of God

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by ATP, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. Hello all, I have a question about a scripture. Do you believe 1 Cor 6:9-10 is speaking about believers or nonbelievers. I believe it's speaking about nonbelievers who are not born again, because if you take a look at verse 11 scripture makes it clear. Take a look at these phrases the Lord gives us..

    1. And that is what some of you were
    2. But you were
    3. washed, sanctified, justified...how?
    4. by believing in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ

    There is power to His name, when believing on His name. Verse 9-10 describe who we were as nonbelievers without salvation, thus verse 11. Verse 11 describes who we are now after salvation. What are your thoughts.

    1 Cor 6:9-11 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    - ATP
     
  2. Being saved doesn't give us the right/permission to sin.

    1 Peter 2:16 (KJV)
    As free, and not using [your] liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
     
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  3. Correct, but how did you get that from the OP.
     
  4. You are separating believers from unbelievers - sin is sin for both and both have been known to sin. Being Christian doesn't make you less tempted by sin but you should be learning to hate sin as you grow spiritually because you see it is no good for you not because it is an unreasoning taboo. As a christian, if you allow sin to blind you, you will fall off the path. Each sin you commit allows Satan a doorway/portal into you.
     
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  5. Hi Silk. I do agree. Sin can effect our fellowship, but do you believe a born again believer can lose his inheritance in heaven because of sin.
     
  6. What I think is that if you truly accept Christ in your heart, you can backslide but are still saved. Christ atones for all sins - past, present, and future. But even as a Christian, I think you have to repent any sins you do commit and try and sin no more. I think you can start out thinking you are Christian and then reject Christ/God. But what is involved with that I just don't know. I was watching a movie where this guy was poisoned by polonium (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038914/ ) and he was raised a good christian under cold war Russia. He converted to Islam not long before his death. I would say taking up Islam would be a loss of salvation - but I don't know. The American beheaded by Isis took up and converted to Islam while in captivity. I'm hoping that conversion was faked.
     
  7. You asked about 1 Corinthians 6:9 - 10... they're for everyone.
     
  8. I think we should interpret scripture for what it is meant for. We should not try to pull out entire doctrine out of one small portion of scripture. I think the passage here is not specifically for believers and non-believers. And this passage is not for defining the criteria of what it means to be saved. That is found in other passages. The scripture is specifically to say how to conduct ourselves. And it applies for both believers and non-believers. Sexual immorality is wrong for both believers and non-believers. Idolatry is wrong for both believers and non-believers. That is all we can draw from the passage w.r.t to salvation of a soul
     
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  9. I agree.

    A good tree produces good fruit, a bad tree does not. We can know them by their fruits. The guy that converts to Islam was never truly born again.

    I would have to disagree. Notice verse 11, uses the word "were" four times. Verse 9-10 also uses the word "inherit" twice. If a born again believer can lose his inheritance then why give us 1 Peter 1:4 .

    What about the part where it says they will not inherit the kingdom of God. Wouldn't that be criteria. - ATP
     
  10. That is not the criteria. That is the end result!
     
  11. WOAH! I NEVER said one can lose their salvation. You need to reread what I wrote, but you read something wrong there...
     
  12. when reading the Eternal Word with help from the Holy Spirit. We do not ever want to ADD words or meaning to the scriptures.

    If we do, then it will cloud our understanding.

    Heaven is a place, and is not mentioned at all by Paul. Don't add it, don't put it in there.

    Drunks do not inherite the Kingdom of God.

    Why is that?
    What are they not inheriting?
    Can Christians be drunks? yes
    They can also be everything else included in the list. YES

    Can Christians then not inherit the Kingdom of God? Yes.

    What other examples in Scriptures can we can compare then? Lots of other scriptures.

    Where the heck they at? One reason we need to STUDY, Line upon line and compare like things. (Isa 28)

    What is the Kingdom of God?

    It means to rule with God, under the Spiritual laws of God on Earth as they are in Heaven. (Matt 6)

    Basilia (Kingdom) is a Greek Female noun. It can't be a place, but a position of a place. It means to rule or reign over.

    Jesus said thy Rule and reign Come (Kingdom) Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. God's power and will being done on earth as it is in Heaven.

    Luk 11:20 kjva But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

    Jesus said, If I cast out devils by the finger of God "Holy Spirit" then no doubt God's Power, Rule, Will, and Reign has come on you.

    The Rich young ruler:

    Jesus loved the rich young ruler (Mark 10) Jesus told him, go sell all you have, take up your cross and follow me.
    The rich young ruler was sad, and not willing to give up everything he owned, he walked away.

    His original question was how to have eternal life.

    Jesus never answered the question until the very end. However the rich young ruler left, before hearing the answer.

    Jesus said, How hard is it for the rich to enter into the Kingdom of God.

    Why?

    The Kingdom of God means to rule with God, doing the will of God on earth. People with money don't ask God before doing things, they just trust in their money and miss any miracle God could have done.

    King Asa was like that, prime example.
    God Moved mightly to defeat the armies against Asa when he was starting out as King. Later after God made Asa rich, a issue came with some other nations that was trouble and instead of asking God for help again, King Asa paid off everyone to make them happy.

    God was not very pleased with that at all.

    King Asa, just like the rich young ruler missed out on God's best and will.

    Jesus kept talking after the rich young ruler left. He said.

    No man has given everything for the gospel sake and not recieved 100 fold now in this time with persecutions and to come eternal life.

    Jesus was not trying to make the rich young ruler broke, He was trying to make him rich beyond what He could imagine.

    The Kingdom of God is give and it shall be given, Good measure, pressed down. God multiplies your seed sown.

    So, anyone living in sin, such as being a drunk, will have no spiritual authority to operate in the power of God. Those who obey and serve God will, not those who do not.

    It has nothing to do with being saved, but what Jesus said. He cast out devils because the Kingdom of God came. Someone not living right for God will have no power over any devil, or anything else.
     
  13. #13 Straightshot, Jan 5, 2015
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2015
    I always tell people the following about what I perceive the topic seen here on this post might be

    The Lord never recants upon His promise to save ... His side of the arrangement is carved in stone

    However, He does require a mutual relationship which includes one's willingness to seek His offer and to stay the course after

    Most people who genuinely comply may stray, but will not give up their responsibility in the relationship

    Once having been born again and led by the Lord into all truth generates a compelling desire to finish the race .... one would have to be a fool to do otherwise and to dump the experience

    Since the human has free will even after the tasting and the enlightenment regarding who they are, why they are on this earth, how the Lord evaluates the human condition, what He eventually intends to finish, and His revelation of His things "hereafter" .... it is possible for one to walk away from the relationship

    So I always give a heads up for those who may be tempted for what ever reason at some point along the way of their journey to disengage [2 Peter 2:1-22]

    An effective preacher of the Lord's Word leaves no stone un-turned and will keep his assembly on the firing line so that they do not stumble .... this is the most that one called to the task can do, and must

    Unfortunately the professing church of today simply does not have many who will lead in this way and the result has been and is pathetically apostate

    In response to the OP writer

    The professing church is filled with fence sitters with no oil today .... the pretenders [Matthew 25:1-13]

    And much of the responsibility for this condition lies with the leaders who are in the business of self gain .... those who tell people what they want to hear, and not what they need to hear
     
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  14. But if a born again believer cannot inherit the kingdom because of sin then why does and exist. says to an inheritance that can never perish, and say neither the present nor the future can separate us from the love of God.

    and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    But if a born again believer cannot inherit the kingdom because of sin then why does and exist. says to an inheritance that can never perish, and say neither the present nor the future can separate us from the love of God.

    and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

    For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
  15. Christ atones for all sin - past, present and future. There is only 2 exceptions as I read scripture - blaspheming the Holy Spirit and redundancy - taking the mark of the beast.
     
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  16. You did not pay attention to a thing I said. You focused on one thing and quoted me.

    I explained everything to you. How are you equating the Love of God, or The Kingdom of God to something located in Heaven?

    Did I type to long, and you lost interest and only read a few lines?

    The Kingdom of God is here, on earth, and right now. It is not latter.................
    Taking time to learn and read, you would know that. I don't like to feel as if I am wasting time, as the Word is very serious to me.

    What was Blaphsemy of the Holy Spirit? Attributing the Holy Spirit in doing Satans Work, or casting out devils with devils.

    What do you think it's called when some Pastor preaching a childs funeral says.......... "We don't understand everything, God took this young one home early for the evil to come."

    Translated:

    God was to stupid to figure out how to protect the boy, so God through His Holy Spirit on Earth had the boy murdered for lack of a better plan.

    Blaphesemy. The kingdoms are not divided, it's the theif that kills, Steals and destroyes.

    Something to think about. Millions of believers commit the same sin Jesus warned about.
     
  17. 1 Cor 6:9-10 is the original scripture in the OP. Verse 9-10 both have the word 'inherit' in them. If it's not speaking of the afterlife, what is it referring too.

    There are two spiritual references when speaking about the kingdom of God. The kingdom that is within us, and the kingdom in which we inherit after we die. Yes, we can experience the kingdom right now through the Holy Spirit, but there is also a kingdom awaiting us after death, a physical place. 1 Cor 6:9-10 is speaking about the kingdom in the afterlife. You can't inherit something, and then later on withdraw from it. It doesn't work that way.
     
  18. Blaspheming the HS refers to nonbelievers taking their unbelief to their grave and dying in unrepentance.

    Redundancy of what? What do you mean.

    Scripture does not mention a born again believer ever taking the mark of the beast. Nonbelievers will be deceived by the antichrist.
     
  19. Both unbelievers and believers can blaspheme the Holy Spirit. I don't want to hi jack your thread - suffice to say that all ways of blaspheming the HS are an end result of rejecting God but the ways to do so are many. For instance: claiming works of the devil as Holy Spirit inspired.

    I meant the 2nd is a redundancy meaning taking the mark is rejecting God/HS.

    True believers will not be here when the Mark is offered. Scripture tells us that there will be those who cast out demons and preached in His name and Christ will say I don't know you.
     
  20. NO..........You still did not read what I wrote.

    Kingdom is not a place!!!! Heaven is, and Paul never mentioned Heaven in Cor:

    So in Cor, Paul is not speaking of a physical place, and Inherit means to be part of, to obtain part of.

    You can't live in sin, and operate in the Power and promises of God.

    Original: *βασιλεία* Kingdom
    Transliteration: *basileia*
    Phonetic: *bas-il-i'-ah*
    *Thayer Definition*:
    # royal power, kingship, dominion, rule
    ## not to be confused with an actual kingdom but rather the right or authority to rule over a kingdom

    One more time, you can't disobey God and have any authority in God here on earth. Has ZERO to do with Heaven. You can't partake of the promises of God here on EArth while you live in Sin.

    And, by Jesus example, Blaphesmy of the Holy Spirit is attributing Evil things to the Holy Spirit. It's saying God's Spirit is sent to do evil, not good. Many believers commit this sin, but out of being stupid, so it will not be accounted against them.

    We have to read all the passages together and find what Jesus meant when He made that statement and what was going on at that time.

    Kingdom in the NT is not a place. It's the right to rule with.

    Hope this clears it up. I even gave the Greek definition.

    The Kingdom of God is not for later, ever. No scripture even denotes that, ZERO.
     

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