Ten Commandments?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by dUmPsTeR, Oct 2, 2014.

  1. Are the so called, '10 commandments' an error of man? I've heard and studied that they should be called, 'The Words of God'. If they should be called the 'Words of God' and that they aren't 10, but 9? What is the reason man has distorted this?

    Exodus 20:1-17Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
    20 Then God said all these words:

    א 2 “I am Adonai your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the abode of slavery.

    ב 3 “You are to have no other gods before me. 4 You are not to make for yourselves a carved image or any kind of representation of anything in heaven above, on the earth beneath or in the water below the shoreline. 5 You are not to bow down to them or serve them; for I, Adonai your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but displaying grace to the thousandth generation of those who love me and obey mymitzvot.

    ג 7 “You are not to use lightly the name of Adonai your God, because Adonai will not leave unpunished someone who uses his name lightly.

    ד 8 “Remember the day, Shabbat, to set it apart for God. 9 You have six days to labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Shabbat for Adonai your God. On it, you are not to do any kind of work — not you, your son or your daughter, not your male or female slave, not your livestock, and not the foreigner staying with you inside the gates to your property. 11 For in six days, Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. This is why Adonaiblessed the day, Shabbat, and separated it for himself.

    ה 12 “Honor your father and mother, so that you may live long in the land which Adonaiyour God is giving you.

    ו 13 “Do not murder.

    ז (14) “Do not commit adultery.

    ח (15) “Do not steal.

    ט (16) “Do not give false evidence against your neighbor.

    י 14 (17) “Do not covet your neighbor’s house; do not covet your neighbor’s wife, his male or female slave, his ox, his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

    I'm seeing 9. 2 is just explaining 1.
  2. Or is #1 more of a statement as in verse 2?
  3. Yeah, I just don't jive with wikipedia. It's of man, and like I mentioned in the op, man distorts.

    Can you give me a more credible source?
  4. Deuteronomy 4:13, 10:4

    Moses calls them the 10 Commandments... Good enough for me.
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  5. The Bible is full of commandments besides the ten. One of the other commandments says that I should not wear men’s clothes. In my town boys never wear short shorts, miniskirts, or floor length skirts (the kind that give even me a tight tush); and girl’s pants are different than boy’s pants, so maybe I’m safe. :) My girlfriends wear pretty sandals with painted toes. I’m too chicken to go the painted toe route because I’m afraid that I will injure a toe; and I won’t be able to compete, so I wear boy’s tennis shoes. Well, it’s boy’s not men’s, so hopefully they do not attract lightning.
  6. The Jews say there are 613 commandments in the Scriptures. I do not know what those are.
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  7. From my understanding, there are technically more than 10 commandments, but broadly speaking, they are recognized as 10 Biblically.

    Not to create a divide, but there is a difference between the numbering of the Commandments between Catholics and Protestants, though each commandment is still noted between the two.

    1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me (this is including idols and making yourself graven images).
    2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
    3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day.
    4. Honor your father and your mother.
    5. You shall not kill (sometimes the word used here is Murder because it's implying unjust killing).
    6. You shall not commit adultery.
    7. You shall not steal.
    8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
    10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.

    That's according to Catholicism. According to Protestantism, the main difference is that Commandment 1 was broken into two separate commandments (no strange Gods before Him and making graven images), while commandments 9 and 10 are merged into one.

    However, while it's worth discussing why and how this difference took place, you still notice both Catholics and Protestants are ruled under the same commandments regardless of where they fall in the list.
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  8. I've just come across translations that call them, 'The Words of God'.
    Deuteronomy 4:13Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
    13 He proclaimed his covenant to you, which he ordered you to obey, the Ten Words; and he wrote them on two stone tablets.
    Deuteronomy 10:4Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
    4 He inscribed the tablets with the same inscription as before, the Ten Words whichAdonai proclaimed to you from the fire on the mountain the day of the assembly; andAdonai gave them to me.

    Even my NKJ study bible has references that call them, 'The Words of God'. (Exodus 34:28)
  9. Yeah, I know about a bunch of the other 'commandments', like wearing mixed fabrics, yoking an ox with an mule, a mans beard is his glory and a womens hair is her glory, etc.

    I was mainly inquiring about Exodus 20 'commandments', and why the label commandments instead of Words of God?
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  10. I had heard Christians had changed it in order to distance themselves from the Jews, but I don't understand the reasoning behind that.
  11. What did they change? The number? The text in the Scriptures? The wording?
  12. I don't think it's true:

    Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
    And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

    Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
    And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

    Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
    And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

    The "Ten Commandments" is literally "Ten The Words" - עֲשֶׂ֖רֶת הַדְּבָרִֽים
  13. 1. Calling them commandments instead of 'Words of God'.

    2. Took so called 1st and 2nd commandment and separated them.

    3. The 1st so called commandment should be verse Ex 20:2, which is more of a statement. Also, have you ever noticed where this statement is mentioned numerous times in scripture?

    It's like the first and second so called commandments are one in the same with the second just explaining the first, or clarifying it.
  14. Hmm....now your last line there gives me pause to think. I would only ask, is the 1st and 2nd commandment dissimilar?
  15. #1
    Exodus 20:3 (KJV)
    Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    Exodus 20:4-6 (KJV)
    Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

    Exodus 20:7 (KJV)
    Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)
    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Exodus 20:12 (KJV)
    Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

    Exodus 20:13 (KJV)
    Thou shalt not kill.

    Exodus 20:14 (KJV)
    Thou shalt not commit adultery.

    Exodus 20:15 (KJV)
    Thou shalt not steal.

    Exodus 20:16 (KJV)
    Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

    Exodus 20:17 (KJV)
    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.
  16. Okay, 1st, I like the KJV. I feel it brings extra meaning that can be lost in other translations. Yet, one has to consider that those who translated the KJV did it for a king, a king that if he was not happy with the translation may have lopped of your head.

    Now read so called commandment 1 and 2 and does it not mean 1 in the same? (Of course with all due respect)
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  17. #18 Ghid, Oct 4, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2014
    If Prophyry were here he would say The Bible is the World of God. Some of The Bible is commandmentns, and some of it is other categories.

    People who count commandments usually start with the story of the Garden of Eden. The first commandment must be "Be fruitful and multipy." It is in Genesis 1. Genesis 2 implies, if it does not explicitly state, Obey God, and it repeats, "Be fruitfull and Multiply."

    In another thread, someone said that there must have been a commandment against murder, and I suppose also envy.

    That is likely not right. Someone will likely correct me.
  18. I'm no linguist, but it wouldn't surprise me if this word was coined to describe what the Bible was pointing out. It doesn't seem man-made to me.
  19. I agree. I figured Dumpster could at least explain. I'm still not entirely clear of the connection. But I find far more reason to believe the 10 Commandments have been and always will be valid.

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