Stephen Fry vs God

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Flavio, Jan 31, 2015.

  1. I love Stephen Fry, I think he's a brilliant actor / writer and I have nothing but respect for him but I was very saddened by this:

    Fry is digging his own grave here and he doesn't even know it.

    And he seems to be making a career of attacking God, which is always good for business. Militant atheism sells: nobody knew who Richard Dawkins was until he wrote 'The God Delusion'.

    What really bothered me though, was The Independent's shameless endorsement of his views. What happened to objectivity and impartiality in journalism?!
  2. A few thoughts here.

    I've never really taken to SF but that's by the by.

    I've felt for quite a while he is a "militant atheist". While other's seem to perceive other religions (particularly Islam) as the the biggest threat, I am quite worried about this one and believe atheism will increase.

    The problem the way I see our lack of real answers to science. I'd not argue science is wrong in the main (in fact I think what it can discover is God's sort of day to day running of things) but it explains more and more and our beliefs become more easily passed off as superstition.

    I might expand on that later but to keep things brief for now, I will move on to the media.

    I actually view the Independent as one of the better papers but I believe its objectivity is coloured by my "sceince vs religion" thoughts above. Our own choice of national newspaper at home is actually its little sister, the I.

    Of course, popular amongst some Christian circles seems to be the output of NewsCorp. This is an organisation that had one paper (News of The World) go out of publication (later to be replaced by a Sunday Sun edition) because of scandals including phone hacking (the Milly Dowler one was arguably the worst), the Sun itself who until a couple of weeks ago had page 3 as a major selling point. And at least by my interpretation of something someone pointed to me while hurricane Katrina was happening what I felt were very uncharitable views towards the poor and needy by (I think) Bill O'Rielly.

    As a group, it's output is known to vary and shall I say pander to the particular tastes it can sell without regard to "conflicts of interest". It's no wonder we rather than the press can become the laughing stock with some.
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  3. ...shake the dust off your feet. If you know him personally, pray for him, otherwise..I don't think its good to concern yourself so much with lies famous people believe and bad news.

    Proclaim the Good News instead.
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  4. He wants to be away from God? His wish will be granted. In hell. Hell, really, is a place where you will never be with God ever because you rejected him (not you specifically). That is exactly where this man is going, and he can't do anything about it. Enjoy.
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  5. This is the interview tape if anyone wants to watch it.
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  6. And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch [pit]? Luke 6: 39
    Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matthew 15: 14

    The tragedy with Mr. Stephen Fry, who has just married his 27 year old male lover, is that he will take so many others also into perdition with himself.
    I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Deuteronomy 30: 19 Three and one-half thousand years later and it still comes down to this choice.
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  7. Absolutely.

    Atheists fail to understand that all good things come from God: our lives, our bodies, our souls, the air that we breathe.

    Hell is the complete absence of God, i.e. a place of absolute evil, pain and misery.
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  8. Yup, and they will realize what mistake they have made.
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  9. #9 KingJ, Feb 2, 2015
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    There is nothing this guy has said or done that on face value warrants him getting into hell. But behind the scenes? We have to always wonder how someone can attack the Christian God without considering the cross....

    It is propaganda against our God. Just like with the Jews before WW2....we need to be getting ready....for these highly intelligent people to feed us to lions. The irony is so thick.
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  10. What a strange thing to say. Mr. Fry denies Jesus as his Lord and Saviour. Denies the gospel. Denies righteousness. And has just married his 27 year old male lover. I don't think the odds are in his favour.

    For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Peter 4: 17-18
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  11. Lol. I was referring to what he said here. I never knew that about him. It all makes more sense now I guess :barefoot: ;).
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  12. Though we should pray for all people -- famous or not.
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  13. Stephen Fry -- who I do find very clever and funny -- has always been a militant voice against God and religion pre-dating New Atheism.

    It's always sad to see people respond this way, not because they know God, but because they think they know what God is and still aren't even close -- in both nature and personally.
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  14. I guess that guy is going no where fast. That was an evil spirit or a very closed minded man to the truth
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  15. Well, not sure what you mean or you just want to be contrary. I dont pray for all people. Some ppl God says it is a waste of time praying for and God isnt going to answer such a generic prayer. Also..well does anyone have the time to pray for each and every soul on earth? How many are there like 4 billion? How can I pray for each individual that I dont even know?

    His will is going to be done, so just pray that.
    If you have a specific prayer for mr Fry, please post it here and maybe we can all pray it together. If you that concerned. Better than talking about it and worrying I suppose.

    God looks on the heart and he has no respect of Just cos someone is famous and in the media doesnt mean anything to Him.
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  16. Amen brother, amen. ;)
  17. There's always such a bizarre paradox with people like Stephen Fry and the late Hitchens (God rest his soul).

    The idea of being able to use reason apart from God or to reason the non-existence of God is using that same exact gift against the one who authorized it and gave it. It's like cutting off the branch you're sitting on.

    Stephen Fry compared God to the greek gods suggesting that they didn't pretend to be something they weren't and suggested that God does. It's silly criteria to compare the two as the greek gods weren't true gods (even if they were in fact real) -- they could only be counted as demigods because they all existed in a realm of limitation (even if they themselves could not die).

    This is why folks like Fry always get it wrong. If their understanding of what God is is true, then I'd have to count myself as an Atheist also. But what they are arguing against isn't what God is. They almost never address what God is.
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  18. #18 LysanderShapiro, Feb 2, 2015
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    I don't mean to be contrary. Though we know God's will is that all people will be in heaven, even though that is not what will happen.

    It's impossible for us to literally pray for every single individual (meaning literally thinking of each one individually) since we only know a tiny fraction of all people -- we can only pray that God will touch all people, that all people will find God and will embrace Him as their father. Will it happen? Unlikely. Though we should will what God wills, and if it is a waste of a prayer, it is our prayer to waste.
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  19. I love this video because Frank Turek (a Christian apologist) gives a very general explanation for what God is against a young Atheist's argument, which is often arguing against what they mistake God to be.

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