Should Homosexual Behavior Be Illegal?

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  1. #1 SergioL, Jun 8, 2014
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    Hi brothers and sisters. I was recently kicked out of a chat channel because I don't support the criminalization of homosexuality. I was kicked out by the owner this channel, a pastor who is known all over the world and highly esteemed by nearly everyone. That hurt a lot because up to that moment I really admired this pastor. Furthermore, it hurt because it makes me think that there are a lot of Christians who support the criminalization of homosexuality, which in my opinion is a great crime not only against homosexuals but also against the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. I'll try and explain my position as briefly as possible. The New Testament tells us the following: 1 Corinthians 5:12-13. According to these verses, God is the only one who can judge those who are not Christians. We cannot impose our values upon them. This idea is reinforced by the following passage:

    "He put another parable before them saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, "Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?" He said to them "An enemy has done this". So the servants said to him, "Then do you want us to go and gather them?" But he said, "No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, "Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn" (Matthew 13:24-30)

    This parable is explained by Jesus in Matthew 13:36-43. Briefly, the harvest is Judgment day, the wheat are the sons of God, the weeds are the sons of Satan, and the reapers are angels. So, according to this passage, God will separate the evil ones from the just ones at the end of time. He doesn't even allow his angels to harm the evil ones right now, since some of the sons of God might be hurt in the process. Consequently, we shouldn't try to separate the weeds from the wheat all by ourselves.

    Through history, every time the church has tried to impose its values on non-Christians, the Gospel has suffered greatly. This happened during the inquisition, the witch hunts, etc. So, I firmly believe that we must approach the non-Christians with love and patience, not with hatred and bigotry. Jesus ate with sinners and prostitutes and by showing them his love he saved many of them. We should do the same. God is love and as sons of God we must be patient and loving towards the sinners, remembering that we are also sinners like them.

    What do you think about this topic?
  2. Asserting morality is not hatred and bigotry against homosexuals. We owe it to our children to make sure they are not exposed to flagrant perversion. It is when this lifestyle is presented as something acceptable and even acceptable among the Body of Christ is when we must make a stand.

    I am all for lifestyle evangelism and loving all people, but when people argue for the right to commit perverse acts as if it is a viable option in life, we have a problem. Even in Jesus' day, He was known as a friend of sinners, hanging with tax collectors who were hated, but no one who was a sinner was in particular a homosexual who was trying to rationalize his sin, as something that should be accepted! A homosexual in Jesus' day knew enough to keep it hidden, because there was fear and shame associated with it, and rightly so.

    Paul says it for me here:

    Romans 16:17-18 (NLT)
    And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.
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  3. Acts 23:2-3 And the high priest Ananias commanded those who stood by him to strike him on the mouth. Then Paul said to him, "God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Are you sitting to judge me according to the law, and yet contrary to the law you order me to be struck?"

    People can sit and say we can't judge all day long. Here Paul is judging Ananias. We can judge others, just make sure you aren't doing the same thing before you cast judgement. Yes we are to love our fellow man/woman but sometimes love can be harsh and to the point. So many Christians think we have to tip toe around a subject or act like we should be timid around someone who is in the wrong. Jesus made a whip and turned over tables. He didn't ask politely if he could and he didn't say sorry every time he hit someone with the whip. He was angry out of love.

    The way our society is today I would say no to making homosexuality a crime. But then again I believe our society is a direct result of siding with Satan. Our country was formed on Christian values and I can guarantee you homosexuality wasn't put up with like it is today. Granted homosexuals were out there in hiding and this was the case over 50 years ago as well. Now everywhere you look there are issues and news on how homosexuals are being mistreated and how us evil Christians are the major contributors to their ill will.

    You watch in a few years Christians are going to have less and less rights on issues in politics. We need strong Christian leaders to stand up for what is Biblical and lead by example and not follow the rest of the world to hell.
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  4. I'm so sick of this topic. All you will get here is hatred, my friend so I wouldn't bother if I were you. Jump ship.

    I don't feel the need to judge anyone. God will do that so I won't waste my energy.
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  5. #5 SergioL, Jun 8, 2014
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    Paul is talking of people inside the church, not about people from outside of the church. It is obvious that those outside the church will teach things that are contrary to the Gospel, but we cannot stay way from them because to do that we would be compelled to leave the planet. So, according to you Jesus would have refused to eat with homosexuals? Why? Are homosexuals worst than fornicators, thieves, murders, adulterers, etc? Who are we to cast the first stone?
  6. He wouldn't have baked them a cake :)
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  7. Well, actually, your response is highly appreciated. It is great to see that you are not quick to judge and condemn others. After all, Jesus said: Matthew 7:1-2. I know that I will only receive hatred by adopting the position that I am adopting, but in my opinion it is necessary to do this. In Uganda homosexuality is punished with death and they try to justify this law with the Bible. That is in my eyes a great crime, greater than any sexual immorality.
  8. It is like people are quick to settle. I say this about any sin. I'm sick of hearing, "this is the way it is, nothing we can do about it." Like I said in a previous post, my wife has a Gay foster son who dresses up as a woman. He is loved but he knows our stance on the matter. He isn't allowed to come into our house with his boyfriend, and isn't allowed to dress up as a woman in our house because of our child. I don't want my child confused on the subject. We don't damn him to hell because he is gay, but we do let him know what the bible says about it.

    Now am I judging him because I won't let him be himself in front of my family? No, I am honoring God and protecting my son from this pervertedness. I wouldn't have a problem meeting both of them for coffee or something and witnessing to them.
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  9. He defended Mary Magdalene, who was supposed to be a prostitute. Many Christians today will act like the Pharisee who condemned Mary Magdalene. See Luke 7:36-50. We shouldn't be more worried about the future of our country than about the souls of those who need Jesus.
  10. I have dealt with the hatred too. I don't agree with homosexual behavior but I'm not going to smack gays over the head with the Bible either. That would only cause resentment towards Christians and Christianity as a whole. After all, we don't say that gossiping should be outlawed. Of course, that would lower the income churches get from tithe and they can't have that. Most Christians are hypocritical in this area and they will have to explain their hypocrisy face to face with God when judgment comes.

    I agree. We need to stop pretending that America is going to stand by Christ. I don't think it ever did anyway.
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  11. I have no problem speaking with them. I just won't allow it around my son. I would defend a Homosexual from death as well. Death by stoning is the old law and of course it wouldn't be tolerated today. But we don't have to sit around and say "oh well, it won't affect my family at all so just let them do what they want." Would you allow a rapist to enter your house with his last victim?
  12. Yes, the word teaches us that we are to be responsible to judge righteously concerning those in the Church, but those outside of the Church do not know any better about living righteously (even though God has placed within each individual a conscience to know right from wrong!). But we are to make righteous judgments concerning people that are serving the cause of Satan and those who are serving the cause of Christ. We need to be discriminating about these matters. If we have homosexuals in the church and are complacent and unrepentant, they need to be shown the door. God is not pleased by leaders allowing sin to permeate the assembly, thus polluting and diluting the flock.

    Jesus most likely did eat with homosexuals, but they would be hiding it, although I believe there were not as many in those days as there seem to be now, because it was openly forbidden and people were not as rebellious in that area as they are now. Homosexuals are fornicators, indeed, but their self-defilement in the OT has been declared worthy of death. So, God places a more evil value on it.

    There are evil people out there that we dare not mess with unless the Lord has specifically anointed one to do so.
  13. Where does it say Mary Magdalene was a prostitute? All it says about her is that she was delivered of seven demons.
  14. If I'm correct that is a KJV interpretation.
  15. Chapter and verse, please? I don't think so.
  16. Hmmm. If they make it against the law for me to text, because they really care about someone's safety.. then my opinion is yes, it should illegal, but in my opinion having sex outside of marriage should also be illegal... If our government really is concerned about our safety.
  17. I think he is referring to John 8. This story doesn't specifically state it was Mary M.
  18. Luke 7:36-50 speaks of a woman as well but she is just called a sinner. This doesn't specifically say she is Mary M either. So not really sure which story he is talking about.
  19. That is correct, which is why I asked---so many people believe what religious folk have told them, rather than knowing what scripture actually does say.

    P.S. I didn't realize it was you I was asking---it was the OP I was addressing. Sorry about that.
  20. NP, I don't bite lol.
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