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  1. Salvation

    Ephesians 2:8-10

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Is faith the evidence that we have received God's grace (salvation)?
  2. Short answer: yes.
  3. That verse also says that salvation is from God, not at all from our own efforts. So, does that mean God chooses us? Kinda like God chose Israel from all the other nations?
  4. I think you're on to something, Puppet. :D
  5. Nice teeth there, Saint Augustine!

    Well, I, for one am happy God chose me! He is so good!
  6. I am happy He chose you (and me), too. lol
  7. Isn't there a scripture that says God chose us first?
    Also doesn't faith come before salvation?
  8. 1 John 4:19
    We love, because He first loved us.

    I cannot think of a verse that has faith preceeding grace. Faith is the vehicle to which grace is delivered according to Ephesians 2.
  9. This has been a bit of a revelation to me in recent weeks, very timely.

    John 6:44
    John 6:65
    I take great comfort in this, not for myself personally, but in sharing God's word with others. Too often, we feel responsible for "converting" people or taking responsibility for their salvation. As the parable of the sower teaches, we are to spread God's word, but ONLY He can draw them. We should feel no pressure to share His word as the person's decision is not up to us, it's up to God.

    If we're mocked, made fun of, or treated poorly for our beliefs, it goes along with Christ's teachings. How can anyone understand God's power and Christ's grace if He has not revealed it to them? Seriously, how can we believe that God became man and died for us? That's a totally irrational claim, but we know it to be true...through God's grace alone.

    That's something I've been having conversations with non-believers about recently. How can they "find" faith? Surely there's a better answer than, "Well, God has to give it to you." If they don't believe in God, what would compel them to listen to His urgings.

    How does that fit in with this scripture?:

    Matthew 7:
    This scripture seems to illustrate that man can initiate the relationship. Is it possible for someone to seek God on his/her own, or has God compelled them to take that action?...I'm not being argumentative here, but it's a great conversation and I appreciate everyone's opinions.
  10. This has been puzzling to me too. I know that God created us with a free will. When God knocks at our heart we have the choice of accepting His calling or rejecting it. However, the Bible clearly says that man is born spiritually blind, having no fear of God. What makes some people run to His arms while others keep on rejecting Him, I don't know, but believe it has to be God's doing. But why God adopt some people and not others? I don't know. :confused:
  11. Who says God created us with free will? Could you please offer some Scriptural support regarding that assertion?
  12. adam and eve.dont touch the tree in the middle,they had free will.
  13. lol. That example doesn't even imply they had free will. It just says they did what they weren't supposed to do, not that they had free will.
  14. if they didnt havefree will then they couldnot have done it.
  15. Ephesians 2:8
    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    So yes, the Faith must come first
  16. No, all they need to have is a will to do it. They did not need free will.
  17. if you dont have free will then you cant do anything what goes against said will.if i run a program and make it so it cant do something then it cant do it.we also know God was very upset so concludes we have a free will.i dont argue with God if i can help it.
  18. Man's Free Will to do Good or Evil

    Throughout Scripture the Bible continuously instructs mankind to make righteous decisions by free will. Many persons misinterpret a few verses to arrive at the false idea that mankind does not have a free will to do good or make righteous decisions. Below are some verses which strongly show that mankind has the responsibility to exercise their free will and is commanded by God to do so.

    Deuteronomy 30:15 "See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 "in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 "But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 "I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong [your] days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 "I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live

    John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.

    Individual Faith is Required for Salvation
  19. correct some say it,s already decided about your outcome.this is wrong you change your life.with your free will.
  20. I have no idea what point you are attempting to make.
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