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Purgatory

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Apologia, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. I recently came across some information regarding purgatory and read that it stemmed from Catholic doctrine. From what I read, purgatory is a place where believing Christians go to become purified before entering into heaven. A couple questions; where in the Bible did Catholicism interpret there to be a purgatory and second, were we not already purified through the blood of Jesus?

    ***This is not a bash on Catholics, I am wanting to know where they got this from
     
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  2. Ahh--- here we go.. ;-)
     
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  3. Uh oh...did I start something crazy? :cautious:
     
  4. actually it stems from Judaic doctrine .. and would equate to "sheol" in the orthodox Jewish understanding .. however, the Jews are all over the place on their understanding of the afterlife .. example: the Pharisees believed in a resurrection, whereas the Sadducees did not ..

    as to the NT continuation of the belief in "sheol" .. I believe they used these verses ..
    Mat 18:33 ‘Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’
    Mat 18:34 “And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.
    Mat 18:35My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
     
  5. actually it stems from Judaic doctrine .. and would equate to "sheol" in the orthodox Jewish understanding .. however, the Jews are all over the place on their understanding of the afterlife .. example: the Pharisees believed in a resurrection, whereas the Sadducees did not ..

    as to the NT continuation of the belief in "sheol" .. I believe they used these verses ..
    Mat 18:33 ‘Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’
    Mat 18:34 “And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.
    Mat 18:35My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
     
  6. So am I to assume that this passage means the aforementioned verses means this specific instance is all about forgiveness? If so, how could it be so widely assumed then that this is a blanket statement for all sin?
     
  7. you do know when I hear these "often said words" .. they becoming harder and harder to believe them .. not saying you meant it that way, but I suggest this type of statements subconsciously do have the effect to "incite" and would be better not said ..
    perhaps it would be better asked as is there any verses in the bible that suggest a soul can payback for error after death ???

    for instance, if every time I challenged a reformists doctrine and I posted "this is not a bash on reformist" (or any other church denomination) .. get my drift ???

    God Bless you ..
     
  8. My apologies, this is indeed from my own ignorance. I just assumed (where I think herein lies the problem) that some would get offended because I have read multiple places where this is a Catholic teaching.
     
  9. #9 ixoye_8, Mar 4, 2014
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  10. #10 ixoye_8, Mar 4, 2014
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    I'm not Catholic .. so IF you ask nicely, one may answer for you ..
    many often shy away as it then becomes "fruitless" .. and rightly so ..
    1Ti 1:5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
    1Ti 1:6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion,

    but honestly, this thread may be heading for "lock-down" ..
    I think it is alright to discuss doctrine ..
    (it rarely voids the Gospel of Salvation)
    but I think it is bad to discuss doctrine enumerated as belonging to a denomination ..

    God Bless you ..
     
  11. Much appreciated. I will keep that in mind in my discussion with others outside and inside the forum.

    God Bless you as well!
     
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  12. Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
    (1Pe 1:18-19)

    Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
    (Col 1:13)

    Here are just two of many scriptures. Purgatory is a place where purification takes place. It's not a very pleasant place according to make believe accounts of those that have never been there or have come back to tell about it.

    Some believe the Blood of the Lamb just did not have enough Umph in it to get the job done. According to the Word, that is nonsense.
     
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  13. you're a good man Brian .. God will bless all those who seek peace ..
     
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  14. 1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all (pas) unrighteousness.

    though I am in agreement with you ..
    when you die, it really matter little what you believed about what happens ..
    because we will not be able to change God's plan which is revealed ..
    the only thing that matters is we follow what Jesus said is needed for salvation while we are yet here on earth, and endure in it ..
     
  15. 1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all (pas) unrighteousness.

    though I am in agreement with you ..
    when you die, it really matter little what you believed about what happens ..
    because we will not be able to change God's plan which is revealed ..
    the only thing that matters is we follow what Jesus said is needed for salvation while we are yet here on earth, and endure in it ..
     
  16. "***This is not a bash on catholics..."

    My read on this matter:
    That is good: for we must be wise in differentiating between "catholicism" and catholics.
    Catholics are members in catholic churches, many who are sincere and seeking God...as are mnay in all religions of the world.
    Catholicism is the institution: that have their own peculiar doctrine to salvation.

    One Brother once told me: "Remember Brother, how the Lord brought us out of catholicism?"
    Another said, Remember Brother villa, how the Lord brought us out of that (specific) denomination?"
    My reply to both was the same: "No", I said, "The Lord Jesus did not bring me out of any religion or denomination. The Lord Jesus brought me out of sin!"
     
  17. "***This is not a bash on Protestants..."

    Protestantism is the institution: that have their own peculiar doctrine to salvation.

    thank you for making my point ..
     
  18. let me guess ..
    you are trying to get enough threads locked down so you get banned ???

    1Ti 1:5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
    1Ti 1:6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside ..
     
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    "But the end of the commandment love out of a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things (love out of a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith), have turned aside unto vaim jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man uses it lawfully; knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient...".

    I used to be a protestant: against the unfair and corrupt laws in this world. But it has never been my r"religion".

    My question: are you defending the catholics seeking God, or catholicism?
     
  20. the 2nd verse is not as important ..
    because the first verse applies to ALL things biblical ..
    1Ti 1:5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

    I am like Robin Hood .. I will defend ANY BRETHREN that another brethren "bullies" .. if you spoke in love .. I would say nothing ..

    I already said I disagreed .. purgatory is denying God's forgiveness .. aka illogical theologically ..

    but you are equally as illogical theologically ..
    so to bring you out of a denomination is to bring you out of sin ???
    sin is to purposely oppose what you know is the will of God ..
     

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