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Discussion in 'Humor' started by krossquad, Jan 20, 2015.

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  1. Greetings;
    1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to uninsure the insured. 2. Next, we require the newly uninsured to be re-insured. 3. To re-insure the newly uninsured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured. 4. The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became uninsured, and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original uninsured can be insured, which will be free of charge to them.

  2. It boggles my mind that Christians - those who proclaim to follow the man who is the archetype of compassion - are often the most vocal faction against programs that seek to offer welfare to the unfortunate.
  3. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-11 (KJV)
    For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
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  4. "Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward them for what they have done." - Proverbs 19:17
  5. While it would be great if socioeconomic struggles were so simple as to be reduced to a mere two sentences, I'm afraid the situation is drastically more complex than that.

    1- We must recognize that these aren't just numbers, these are people, people no different than you or me. Each one is somebody's brother or daughter. To reduce an individual to the sum of their labor is dehumanizing.

    2- A person's desire to work is no dichotomy. People are not born either "lazy" or "industrious." Social situations, biochemical anomalies, psychological conditions; these all effect a person's productivity and drives. Punishing people for things outside their control is the definition of cruelty.

    3- The very structure of wage-labour alienates the labourer from her labour, from the product of her labour, from her fellow man, and from her very humanity. It is not at all surprising that the abused, lower-class portion of humanity lacks a desire to sell their lives away only to prolong their dehumanized existence.

    4- Also, why should a person be sentenced to certain death for such things, while other men extravagantly parade around on their wealth that was accumulated by the labour of others?

    5- An objective study shows that it is the system that is broken and creates the problems we see. The real victims are those who are unfortunate enough to be born into the wrong class; to dismiss this is to blame them for being alive.
  6. There's a difference between the "needy" and the "lazy": unfortunately the more we follow more of the old Roman mentality of 'give the people what they want...'; more lazy people pretend to be needy.

    Then the gubment works the workers to death while they ply the lazy with gifts so they can get their vote. It is a simple economics numbers game. Increase the 'needy' to get the votes; destroy the self sufficient in the process creating more "needy". Then we all live under the illusion that a human government can solve all our problems.

    What this world needs is a Christ / God centered government where the hearts of the people are for each other; but that is not going to happen on This Earth no matter how hard we try since the 'prince' of this world is still in charge.

    But don't worry; there is a New Heaven and a New Earth coming soon where Christ DOES reign!

    'Reap what you sow'
  7. James 1:27 (KJV)
    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.
  8. Peoples attributes are either (1) a product of their lives/environment or (2) they are intrinsically a part of their character. There is no third option.

    For (1) can we ethically blame or punish a person for qualities are not of his own creation?
    As for (2), the same argument applies as for (1). And also begs some serious questions about the nature of such intrinsic properties and their cause.

    I understand that it is bad economics to decrease incentives. However, I am convinced that even the incentives for the most successful are not enough to warrant the sacrifice of human dignity that is the wage-labour slavery. This is seen in all the stories you hear of people who are successful but still never satisfied.
    Humans have drives for production, self-expression, and community; the idea that incentives are needed to get work done only distracts from a system the inherently disincentivizes things that humans naturally aspire to.
  9. We're probably going to have to agree to disagree. :)
  10. Probably. :)
    I used to agree with your view until fairly recently, so my opinions are not yet fully formed, but I do know I cannot honestly accept such a system.
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