Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Jesus Freak, Dec 21, 2013.
What does Mark 9:49 mean? Here it is:
" “For everyone will be salted with fire."
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Luk 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
Luk 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Mar 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mar 9:50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Stay filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, stay anointed.
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Fire inside (Salt) = Holy Spirit = Level of Anointing
Praying in tongues helps a whole lot for it builds up the faith you have.
First point is don't take any verse in isolation. Read what precedes and what proceeds it.
I'm confident that then you will have the answer.
There are no 'one liners' in the Scriptures with the possible exception of proverbs.
There are no one liners in Scripture.......................... I am going to steal that phrase from you. Hope you don't mind.
I have a hard set rule I follow and that no scripture is to be understood privately. It don't Matter what It says, I need one more scripture (Witness) for it to be a belief or doctrine.
The Holy Spirit teaches us all things comparing Spiritual with Spiritual.................... Like things, precept upon precept. (Isa 28)
If I don't have a like thing, I file it off as a category of interest.
Umm, and example scripture that people take in it's own setting with nothing compared is this one here. People have built whole doctrines out of this one scripture. I have tons more, but this one irritates me the most.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
1) God gave Permission to Satan to Murder the mans Children. (God takes no pleasure in the unrighteous perishing, let alone children of a man that obeyed him)
2) God made a deal with the devil. (God can be tempted with Evil)
3) Satan can only get you if God allows it. (Ignoring "Give no place to the devil") scripture.
4) God had to teach Job something. (If you read to the end, Job learned ZERO and why God said "Who is this that darkens my council with words Void of Wisdom, Job.......... Stand up and be a man, Answer thou me......... Oh and sacrifce for yourself and your 3 friends but Elihu for be ignorant)
One scripture paints a picture of Gods character and nature for people, while ignoring 20 other scriptures.
Amen, Most proverbs do have other scriptures to compare, just have to dig. Not checked em all though.
Yes, I agree. Do a forum search on the phrase "two or three witnesses" by 'calvin' and you will see my stance.
Not all are able to pray in tongues.
I do know that there are some that believe all can pray in tongues, I believe that not all Christians are given that ability.
My wife, has prayed, asked, had hands laid on and she desires to pray in tongues, but she has been a Christian close to eight years and has not been gifted with the ability to pray in tongues. I know many spirit-filled Christians that are not able to pray in tongues.
*I am not saying that tongues have ceased, just that not all Christians are able.
Jesus said.............. Red Letters.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
That settles it for me. Now just because I have been saved 20 years, and I still can't seem to get the gift of Tongues, it's no indication that the gift is not there waiting for me. It just means there is something inside my thinking that is blocking me from receiving.
The Word of God is suppose to change us, we don't determine if the Word is true or not, or the Will of God by outcomes.
If you see value in something Jesus said is yours, you keep seeking until you understand. The value determines how long you seek.
The gift is there for every Spirit filled believer, it's not something God has to give you but already available.
This is very possible to be Spirit Filled with Power to be a witness and not to have spoke in tongues. Being Spirit filled is for to be a Anointed witness with power, so it's possible to just be sealed by the Holy Spirit and saved, but have no power.
It all comes down to what your taught, and will receive. Waiting on God to Hook you up with tongues is not going to cut it. I have helped several who had been filled with the Holy Spirit, you could feel the anointing on their life grab a hold of what Jesus said was theirs. It took my wife almost a year, every day on the porch reading Eph prayer and seeking God. She just could not wrap her head around it.
For me it was not easy because I had nobody to ask being locked up. I sort of just had to by faith tell God I was going to speak in tongues since it was mine and if He did not like Caveman then He needed to step in and change it. If I see it's mine, I go after it and God meets me along the way. The red sea did not split until the staff hit, the Jorden did not split until the foot went in and the man at gate beautiful did not receive strength in his ankle bone until Peter pulled him up. Nothing has changed.
Well, for the record, if/when praying to the Lord, the communication is toward the the Lord....no?
When we speak, we generate a complex series of coded 'transverse mechanical waves" in the atmosphere.....yes? scuse me being technicalo_O
The audible sounds of our prayers are largely for the edification/encouragement for our fellows...the Lord listens on a different medium....no?
If those in our company are to be blessed by our praying in tongues, there needs be an interpreter.....yes?
I have only ever heard one instance of alleged praying in tongues. Absolutely no idea what was being prayed...none whatsoever.
What good was it to me...to us?
As for speaking in new tongues, the pre converted calvin would go about saying #%$& this and #%$& that and pretty well #%$& everything else.
Today's calvin has none of that in his new vocabulary........I speak with a new tongue. My conversation has been renewed, as, if we think about it, most of us have been.
Its very good for you Calvin. While you have the math down of the whole process which is very impressive. Jesus said you shall speak with new tongues. So, He said it, then it must be so. It would be similar to what was experienced in Acts.
It is the only gift not mentioned in the Church setting that is not as the Spirit wills, but comes together with us to help when we do pray in tongues.
It's the only Gift in the church setting that does not directly help anyone, but said to help us.
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Since the Gift does not have a super value in church, does not mean it has no value. It's for speaking to ourselves and directly to God.
Speaking directly to God is a value because Tongues comes from our spirit by the Holy Spirit. In fact, you can speak in tongues and write something or focus you mind on something else because the Words don't come from the brain. It's pretty cool, you can't do that with Speaking your known language and focus on something else or even make up gibberish. You can write and speak in tongues.
I prefer to pray in tongues because I can only know so many things naturally. The Holy Spirit knows everything, so it's best to get his Help when praying. We need all the help we can get, at least I do.
1) Getting Wisdom from God.
2) Pray the perfect will of God, and know God's will concerning something.
3) Staying anointed and filled with the Spirit.
4) Tongues does not sound crazy to the unsaved, but saying Jesus makes you sound weird. So I go everywhere and pray in tongues. It's only the saved religious folks that get upset, the unsaved think "Cool"
5) It's a gift every Spirit Filled Believer can have, and God is more than happy to help you get this gift. I have yet to meet anyone who would spend time with me wanting this gift and not get it. Some are more hard headed than others, but they do receive eventually.
6) Praying in the Holy Ghost builds up your most Holy Faith. Faith for gifts often come from this and I get words of wisdom and knowledge often when spending serious time praying in tongues.
7) It's very hard to pray for an hour in your own understanding, you start to repeat yourself. Not the best spent prayer time. God can hear you the first time.
What I did, worked for me, it will work for you. God is no respecter of persons, and loves you as much as me.
I saw Jesus said it was my gift since I believed on his name. With that settled and I had the gift, and having asked for the Holy Spirit with power, the next step was just to speak in tongues.
Very frustrating for me because nothing happened, did not feel a thing.
I don't ask God twice for something since that is not faith, so I was wondering what to do next.
Night after Night I would be in my cell with my mouth open for prayer time and nothing came out. I figured the Holy Spirit being in there somewhere would speak something.
Mike never gives up though! I saw the value, Now I wanted it!!
So, I went back and checked my scripture facts. The book of Acts said "They spake"........... "They Spake".......... "They Spake"......
How the heck YOU speak and not know what to speak????? It made Zero sense to me, but that is what it said. Scripture is scripture, so................... back to formulate another plan.
I Watched some TBN (Something I don't like to do, but they had shows where people fall down and start speaking in tongues) So I figured that was not fair. They just go up, get zapped, and BAM!!! speaking like a Camel Auctioneer in a Arab desert.
Whats up God?
So, since I settled the fact I was filled with the Holy Spirit and tongues was mine, I just decided to make up some language. I remember the Movie Caveman and some things they said in that. Best I could figure with some fake Chinese thrown in. I told God I had the gift and I was going to use it to pray every night. Thank you Lord for the gift of tongues!!!!
First Night: (alone in Jail cell)
I did some hooga booga man, Chi itchy goo!!!
Terrible, I had nothing but disappointment and gave up.
I did more caveman in my prayer time. Something about the dino stole the egg from the raptor who was late for work. I think that might have been the interpretation, Probably not, but I did pray longer in my new made up tongues. I was crushed inside because It just felt stupid, but I had settled the fact that I spoke in tongues because Jesus said so. If Jesus said it, good enough for me.
I went to do some more Hooga booga gangeega, and while doing that I felt this tremendous power rush through me and these words were inside me that I started to speak. I felt this all over me and the more I spoke this language the more power that came everywhere. I got scared and stopped. That was the real deal, and I went under my blankets not knowing what to do.
I then repented and told the Lord I will never draw back again, but step out in faith and value the gift of tongues.
I have been speaking in tongues ever since and have helped many do the same. It was not easy for me, but I know and convinced that every believe would be blessed and empowered to pray in tongues.
Remember, it's the devil that won't confess Christ in the Flesh (The anointing in a flesh body) Or (Jesus the anointed one and his anointing for us) Last thing the devil wants is you grabbing hold of this spiritual gift as he has no recourse against it or can hear it. It's not you holding you back, it's someone scared if you do get a hold of this gift.
Thank you for the reply, but I will have to agree to disagree.
Well, bless God. I hope your wife finds what she is seeking for. I know it can be frustrating.
What I was pointing out was that for me, speaking in a new tongue is showing a complete absence of cursings and taking the Lord's name in vain and generally caching everything in sewer language terms.
It seems to me that there is nothing in the Greek used in Matt 16 that either forces or rejects the idea of glosalalia. So if you take it to mean speaking in tongues that is your take, if I take it as as I do, then
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
ties in nicely.
The gift is real Calvin. A born again spirit where God's seed remains will have in them not to speak perverse things. I am talking about being filled with the Spirit of Power to be a witness.
There are 9 gifts, and all supernatural that need the Holy Spirit to operate. Gift of no potty mouth is not one of them. Paul said speak the language of Angels where His understanding is unfruitful. That is the gift I am talking about, the one I mentioned above.
Now when I got saved, and started to seek Jesus, I noticed my potty mouth was cleaned up. It's was strange because I cursed like a sailor, and it was just not in me. That has to be something cool, and worth noting since death and life are in the power of the tongue.
It was much later I sought after the Holy Spirit to be filled and understand the gifts. Heck, I had no idea there were gifts, like nobody told me.
There are 9 gifts, broken down by 3's
Spiritual Discernment. (No this is not knowing when you hear bad doctrine, it's seeing into the realm of the spirit, lots of devils running around there)
Word of Wisdom: Normally for the future.
Word of Knowledge: stuff present or past.
Have a happy New year!!
OK, check it out. My friend Nicole sings this completely in tongues during her studio session in Campaign IL.
Through that, she astounded her engineer as a witness (Guess the guy never heard tongues before)
She came back to Branson MO and just had to rush over so I could hear the track. I told her not to say a thing, let the Holy Spirit talk to me. I normally don't interpret tongues (Someone elses) well, I guess I never have... but anyway.
When she played it I heard several layers of the Lord speaking about several things. Like rushing water is the first thing I said, then I heard I am coming, I am coming, I am coming. The short is to get in your plan, it's not to late even if you have been ignoring the Lord for years, there is still time. He will restore back the double the years wasted and it will be as if you never left.
There was more but......... anyway.
She gave me what the Lord told her (Finally after asking how many times) Its in the link below if you want to check it out.
You can view that, her pictures, and her singing the National Anthem for the University of Illinois Basketball game.
She is currently producing an Album and I guess she is writing a book now.