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Hebrews 8 : 10 -12

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Dusty, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. Hebrews 8 : 10 -12

    Hebrews 8:10-12

    10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
    after that time, declares the Lord.
    I will put my laws in their minds
    and write them on their hearts.
    I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.
    11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
    or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
    because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest.
    12For I will forgive their wickedness
    and will remember their sins no more."[a]

    1. Hebrews 8:12 Jer. 31:31-34
    Jeremiah 31:31

    31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
    "when I will make a new covenant
    with the house of Israel
    and with the house of Judah.

    32 It will not be like the covenant
    I made with their forefathers
    when I took them by the hand
    to lead them out of Egypt,
    because they broke my covenant,
    though I was a husband to [a] them, [b] "
    declares the LORD.

    33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
    after that time," declares the LORD.
    "I will put my law in their minds
    and write it on their hearts.
    I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.
    34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
    or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
    because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest,"
    declares the LORD.
    "For I will forgive their wickedness
    and will remember their sins no more."

    1. <LI id=fen-NIV-19724a>Jeremiah 31:32 Hebrew; Septuagint and Syriac / and I turned away from
    2. Jeremiah 31:32 Or was their master

    The puzzling part for me is out lined in red. Why does it say no longer will man teach his neibour or his brother. Is this referring to the coming of the Lord when all men shall know Him ?
  2. We are instructed to study the Word of God. That is our part. But it takes the Spirit of God to illuminate the often hidden truth because the Bible is a written document, which has to be interpreted because the human authors are obviously not available to explain what they wrote. The insiration for their writings came from the Holy Spirit, which was the true author of the Bible. It is he who teaches us in principle. Much of the Bible was written in allegory, hyperbole, parables, types, shadows, and apocalyptic language. This is not streightforward communication, but rather communication written in code just for the initiated.

    So the Bible record can be interpreted in many different ways depending on the Spirit of the one who reads it. Our human nature always tends to take things literally - can't always do that. When Jesus said to tear down the Temple and he would rebuild it in three days he wasn't speaking literally. When he said that he had bread that they did not know of - he wasn't talking about literal bread. When Malichi said that Elijah would return - it wasn't literal - it was John the Baptist who came in the spirit of Elijah. God communicates in this way so that only the insiders know what is really meant and this is communicated or expounded by the Holy Spirit. He is our true teacher and often contridicts popular interpretations set forth by Bible teachers. I'm sure that you have experienced this for yourself. We might learn a certain errant doctrine which sounds good and logical, but in time it will be corrected by the Spirit of truth if we are open to his leading and are willing to let go of our present opinions in exchange for something better. A good example would be the Discipleship controversy of a few decades back. It started as a good idea, but graduated into a real control cult mostly by exxageration. Any good doctrine taken to an extreme can become cultic.

    John 16:12-15 (KJV)
    I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. [13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [14] He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [15] All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
  3. Thanks Larry II . yes, we must be taught by the Holy Spirit and although our pastors and teachers are enlightening ... bottom line .... what is the Holy Spirit telling and teaching us .? Even now in these last days there are so many false prophets and teachers that even more so we need the discernment of the Holy Spirit and to stay close to the Word.
  4. I've had some heavy doses of "Name it and Claim it" teaching over the years. I haven't found it to be true - it's only partially true. There is something good and positive about claiming the promises of God - I think part of the problem is our claiming things that are not intended to be within the scope of the promise. Same with its sister doctrine of prosperity. It's not really true because God has so many other things he wants to teach us about his character that is contradictory of these doctrines. I've hear many people tell of how they lost everything they owned and eventually recovered - some like Job - much better than before. I guess eventually we will all learn this, but it is still popular to preach prosperity. Of course in many cases the concept is "Send me huge gobs of money and God will bless you 100 fold." A bit self serving and yet God does this for some people because his words are not bound by some dishonest person in ministry.

    Larry II
  5. Yup, so true Larry II. I for one believe that God wants us to prosper but not to the extent that , that is all we think about and forget all the other promises of God. anyways how much do I need and how much is greed ? Hmmm ... When I see how people in other countries live on the bare minimum, they are happier than we who just want more and more. I learned a lot of valuable lessons from my missions trips.

    We need to take the Whole Bible and it's word and not just single out one part and just focus on that. And once again it goes back to discernment. I have people that I support but know exactly where my money is being used and not abused. I need to be a good steward of my money. expecially since I am now on a fixed income.
  6. Heb 8:11
    And they shall not teach every man his neighbor ... - That is, no one shall be under a necessity of imparting instruction to another, or of exhorting him to become acquainted with the Lord. This is designed to set forth another of the advantages which would attend the new dispensation. In the previous verse it had been said that one advantage of that economy would be, that the Law would be written on the heart, and that they who were thus blessed would be regarded as the people of God. Another advantage over the “old” arrangement or covenant is here stated. It is, that the knowledge of the Lord and of the true religion would be deeply engraved on the minds of all, and that there would be no necessity for mutual exhortation and counsel. “They shall have a much more certain and effectual teaching than they can derive from another.” “Doddridge.” This passage does not refer to the fact that the true religion will be universally diffused, but that among those who are interested in the blessings of the new covenant there would be an accurate and just knowledge of the Lord. In some way they would be so taught respecting his character that they would not need the aid to be derived from others. All under that dispensation, or sustaining to him the relation of “a people,” would in fact have a correct knowledge of the Lord. This could not be said of the old dispensation, for.
    (1) their religion consisted much in outward observances.
    (2) it was not to such an extent as the new system a dispensation of the Holy Spirit.
    (3) there were not as many means as now for learning the true character of God.
    (4) the fullest revelations had not been made to them of that character. That was reserved for the coming of the Saviour, and under him it was intended that there should be communicated the full knowledge of the character of God.
    Many mss., and those among the best, here have πολίτην politēn - “citizen;” “fellow-citizen,” instead of πλησίον plēsion, “neighbor,” and this is adopted by Griesbach, Tittman, Rosenmuller, Knapp, Stuart, and by many of the fathers. It is also in the version of the Septuagint in the place quoted from Jeremiah. It is not easy to determine the true reading, but the word “neighbor” better agrees with the meaning of the Hebrew - רץ rēà - and there is strong authority from the mss. and the versions for this reading.
    And every man his brother - Another form of expression, meaning that there would be no necessity that one should teach another.
    Saying, Know the Lord - That is, become acquainted with God; learn his character and his will. The idea is, that the true knowledge of Yahweh would prevail as a characteristic of those times.
    For all shall know me - That is, all those referred to; all who are interested in the new covenant, and who are partakers of its blessings. It does not mean that all persons, in all lands, would then know the Lord - though the time will come when that will be true; but the expression is to be limited by the point under discussion. That point is not that the knowledge of the Lord will fill the whole world, but that all who are interested in the new dispensation will have a much more full and clear knowledge of God than was possessed under the old. Of the truth of this no one can doubt. Christians have a much more perfect knowledge of God and of his government than could have been learned merely from the revelations of the Old Testament.
  7. Thankyou Doug for that explanation . That makes it more clear to me .... God bless.
  8. re hebrews 8 10-12

    possibly this aligns with the epistle of 1 john 2 where john talks about believers having the annointning please study and see if this could help your query:fish:
  9. Dusty-

    It is mean't for the Christian era Covenant. Look back at verses 7-9 and you'll see, this refers to the New Test Covenant Christ instituted, to replace the Old Test. Covenant.

    There won't be any more "New Covenants" after the New Test. one, because God teaches us how all things shall work out all the way to Christ's return and His 1,000 year reign, then forever with the Trinity in a new Heaven on a new earth after that.

    With the Holy Spirit dwelling within every Child of God, there should be no need to be teaching each other, if we are letting the Holy Spirit guide and teach us as we read and learn Scriptures.

    Where I help Moderate, a person PMed me about thier troubles with a blood sister and her friends all looking upon this person as if weird, strange, sick, etc, because they think, operate and speak so different.

    Another wrote me complaining how unsaved claim they won't become christians because of the falsehoods or problems seen within the church.

    Well, thats where unity is going to have to start coming in soon. And we must realize, we will be persecuted in Jesus Name sake.

    But, its the witness of the Holy Spirit thru us, that can impress on the unsaved, if we think and demonstrate how the Holy Spirit leads us, for them to realize it is the better way.

    But, theres only like 35-38% of the total Body of Christ personally involved in some way with spreading the Gospel, regardless the way its applied. So, how many are truely out there seriously reading and learning God's Word, seeking the Holy Spirit to guide them? Its no wonder theres so much division.

    God Bless!!
  10. Yeah, what I underlined above is sorta what happened to me when I left the Mormon church. One of their arguments against the Christian Churches is why are there so many? They point out that all their (LDS) Bibles are exactly the same: KJV and you can turn to page 17, and it reads the same as their neighbor's Bible. Us, we have all these different versions, and all the different denominations, with different beliefs and all we ever seem to do is argue back and forth, never coming together on certain issues. I almost was deciding to not believe in God because it all seemed confusing. So, I believe the Bible actually does not teach that there should be different denominations at all. I wish we all could be on the same page and just teach God's love and His forgiveness and spend less time interpreting scripture the way we think it should be. That way, we'd all be after the same thing God is after, and that is the souls of man. Thank God that I've gotten away from my stinking thinking and not allowed satan to bind me into thinking it is not worth pursuing God anymore. Thank God for CFS and for the Holy Spirit's leading. Sweets
  11. SweetSurrender-

    Yes, take a look- I went and got my antique 1611 KJV-

    This is Gen. 6 from the first 5-6 verses. Notice the wording and form of language used-

    KJV 1611- Gen. 6:4-

    "There were Nephilium in the earth in those dayes;...."

    KJV 1954-

    4- "There were giants in the earth in those days;..."

    See the differences? in the very first editions of the 1611 version, they were still printing the original Hebrew word "Nephilium" that comes from the root word- "Nephal", which means, "fallen ones, evil ones, demons, demonic spirits, Satan" etc.

    Later versions the word was changed to "Giants".

    The word "days" is also written different. "sonnes of God" is another from the old 1611. "son's of God" from newer.

    6:17- KJV 1611- "And behold I, euen I doe bring a flood of waters vpon the earth,..."

    KJV 1954- " And behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth.

    And the variations are incredible between NIT, NIV, NTA, Family Bible versions, Amplified versions, etc also.

    But, don't be fooled. The Book of Mormon, since the mid to late 1800s has also been revised and changed just as many times. I also have 3 of them dating from the 1970s back to I think its the 1880s, I'd have to look again to be sure. But I know a Supervisory Mormon that goes around and helps to teach LDS followers how to teach or preach to followers in strengthening thier beliefs in Mormonisn.

    Actually, he has become one of my better friends, as he is at least honest with me and our discussions about religion. The LDs followers like to claim mostly, they are not Mormons. All the while Mormons all admit they belong the the~ "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".

    Hehe, try to figure that one out folks. And they call us weird.

    What floored him the most tho, was my bringing up documented proof of thier BoM being revised so many times and the changed I'd picked alone, without going thru it all for them.

    Mormons, Jehovah Witness' , Ba'ahaulah, Christian Scientists, Scientologists and more Cults here do not like me very much. For years, when they'd stop by or invite me to thier special meetings etc, they have grown to dislike my willingness to stand up and ask questions, then use Scripture to ruin thier nights or visits' teachings.

    That Mormon Supervisor tho, I think I got him hooked with interest in me. He said he's never had anyone bombard him with so much info- (I used Scripture, then also historical copies of originals to back up teachings, changes, revisions etc).

    Mormons are no different than us for historical changing. As much as Christianity has changed in its doctrinal beliefs of God's Word, we won't see as much with BoM because its not as old, but still has plenty of changing since the first drafts were written. Now, I don't have any of the first "books" of Mormon, but do have copies of the written draft of it before it was put into print.

    But, I have no idea which draft it is, since there were 4 diverse so called "original drafts" of it found now. Who knows, maybe more were since about 4-5 years ago was last I heard the number found.

    If would like more history on any of this, let me know. I'll do what I can to provide.

    Enough said.

    God Bless!!
  12. Christian Commando

    Yes , I see this as absolutely true and we should be asking and letting the Holy Spirit guide and teach us but what about the week persons who don't rely on the Holy Spirit ? Don't you think that it is still our responsibility to teach them or I guess maybe a better word would be to encourage them.

    I am learning ultimately to rely on the Holy Spirit more and more in my own life instead of taking everything that people say but sifting through as the Holy Spirit gives me discernment.

    I still think that we need our church leaders and pastors to teach us but ultimately as you said the Holy Spirit is our first teacher.

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