For me I haven't seen that yet, and I know we need to give people room for error BC, at the end of the day: Christian or not, pastor or not... They (we) are still human.. And aren't perfect... I know someone will quote the whole be ye perfect for I am perfect scripture.... But despite that, we stil fall short.. But reverting back to the question: Have you witnessed Christians that weren't too much of Hippocrates? That were as close to Christ as possible?