Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by autumn oddity, Sep 8, 2014.
How is spiritual bondage passed down and why...
after a person passes, why doesn't the bondage too?
I am one who does not believe in generational curses on believers.. Jesus took up all the curses and set us free.. That includes everything.. Certainly Satan will try to oppress us and make us believe we are still under a curse.. He will want us to blind from the fact that we are set free..
I have this observation, an assumption, that is: a premise.
Relationships: an individual to himself, to his wife/family, to his neighbor, to his community, to his nation.
I see consistency where, say a right: an individual right for self defense, goes up to a nation right to defend itself against aggression.
In the same manner on obligation: a nation who committed atrocities of war in World War II, who have obligation for war reparation passes its obligation to its citizen, the individual is paying for it, thru taxes.
That is secular thinking, and I see it as just, that is: it is justice.
In spiritual things, I can only speculate….but there are verses to support (?) the opinion:
I remember Abraham pleads on a basis of few good men in a community can save Sodom and Gomorrah?
And a James verse on prayer of righteous man in a community:
James 5:16-18King James Version (KJV)
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
Or a Paul verse where a husband or wife can sanctify the whole household:
1 Corinthians 7:14King James Version (KJV)
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Is that scary : ) ... NO!
My conclusion is:
the mistake of one man: affects generations...
Yet, a righteous ONE MAN can save generations prior and after....
Generational curses can be sort of tricky.
Death itself is a generational curse inherited from the ancestral sin.
Obviously, we know that the sins of our fathers can, and do, often affect us.
However, I think its important to note, curses are not necessarily condemning. There are some differing theological opinions on this, but I personally do not believe that a curse=guilt, so the ancestral sin did not transfer the guilt of the sin, just the curse.
For Christ, the sins of humanity brought Him to the cross which He had to bare it. Much like a curse, but He did it to glorify God and He called us to do the same. Hence the cliche, one's cross to bare.
Please forgive me -- I am tired, and once again, I do not want to look up Scriptures. I am sure you can easily find them, or you already know them.
The L-rd promises to "visit" the generations with regard to familial sin. Check out the meaning of "visit": it means that He will come to each person, check their intentions, and make sure they get their desires. Oh, I know that is loosely defined, but that is the bottom line.
So when someone truly chooses to live right, to be His, in spite of the previous generations, our G-d will bring to that one everything they need to help them be all they should be for Him.
I would not disagree with you. Although, it might be a bit of an overstatement to say what you said.
Many Christian martyrs have suffered and bled for Him even to the point of death, either for other peoples sins or even their own family's. So, yes, they are being given the strength and provisions to remain faithful to Him even until the point of death, but they are still suffering for other's sins, which is in itself a kind of curse.
But, in any case, I have a strictly constant view of God, so in that case, I do not like to, strictly speaking, say that God curses anyone, but rather that people curse themselves by moving their will to be contrary to God, and the chief of these curses would be damnation.
Godspell, it is not mine to explain the mysteries of G-d, nor is it mine to write why things don't always work out well for individuals. I wrote of what G-d has said, not what I have said. These are the words of the Bible.
First I don't believe in them, especially for Christians as Jesus broke all curses, event he curse of death. ... Since I've already addressed this elsewhere, please check it out if you want: http://www.christianforumsite.com/threads/generational-and-dna.40062/#post-369238
"Generational curses" happen when the next generation learns to sin from their parents / fore fathers and never learn to repent -or- accept that their sin is sin and seek God for forgiveness.
In the short of it: we create "generational sin" when we do not teach or live towards 'Holiness'. This is the danger of following the lost world and not God's plan for our lives...
We curse our own children when we as parents don't do right and teach right; and it can last for MANY generations. Look at the Chronicles and all the 'bad kings' and then when a 'good king' repents; Israel is exalted.
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. James 4:17
seems everyone agrees : )
there was and now there was none…and that still, there are consequences for our actions…
You interpreted it and applied it to a particular circumstance.
I don't know what to think about them.
On one hand Jesus sort of paying for all sins and being able to set us free with some added exclusion clause in the small print saying "except for sins affecting you but caused by your relations" has never made a whole lot of sense to me.
On the other hand, some of us do find there are things in our lives that try as hard as we can, as much as we pray for help, as ofen as we try to go through our own past actions while asking the Holy Spirit for guidance, etc. there always is something that we can not find that holds us back, sometimes to the point it makes Christian life all but impossible. I believe it's hard enough at it is but for some of us, it can seem like we are being asked to do it with both hands tied behind our backs.
I have tried investigating generational sin for my own troubles and found it quite scary. The reactions were my own but the effects after getting "reasons" (both from my own prayer and from the advice of "experts") were nothing more than rounds of nasty family accusations.
Well, this is why I think their is a difference between a curse and condemnation. A curse doesn't, IMO, imply guilt, it just means a hardship. In that sense Christ was "cursed" for the sins of humanity by having to take up the Cross, but He wasn't "guilty" of those sins. And the chief curse of sin is death which is mitigated by acceptance of that sacrifice.
So, generational curses are certainly present, we can even think of genetic disease as a sort of generational curse, but, just because we inherit a curse doesn't mean we inherit the guilt.