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Does 1947 Disprove "replacement Theology"?

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Phoneman777, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. #1 Phoneman777, Aug 24, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2014
    One of the major arguments against "Replacement Theology" is that "God miraculously returned Israel to their land in 1949." But, was it God who returned them, or the United Nations that did that? 2 Chronicles 7:14 is clear that only when Israel would repent of their rebellion would God move His hand to return them to the land. Israel was scattered in 70 A.D. for rejecting their Messiah, and yet to this day, they have never repented as a nation.

    It is no secret that the United Nations is not very much a friend to Christianity. In fact, there are so many connections between it and the occult, including a satanic trapezoid-shaped "prayer room" that is filled with one occult symbol after another, that one may conclude that it will play a prominent role in bringing about the polarization of the world into two camps: those that accept the coming mark of the beast and those who refuse it. For an excellent analysis of the dark history of the U. N., link to "The U.N. and the Occult Agenda" at

    It is to Abraham, not Israel, that God said, "I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you" and it the same God who said through Paul that "if ye be in Christ, then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise." This does not describe the current state of Israel, who are anything but in Christ, to whom they refer as "the Great Imposter". Can anyone find a single instance in the Bible where God returned Israel to their land after they had been displaced for rebelling against Him without them having first repented and turned back to Him with their whole heart?
  3. What's your reading of Leviticus 11:44-45 and Jeremiah 3:12?
  4. Change made.
  5. Thank you very much!
  6. Those two verses seem to be His sentiments toward both the "Israel of the flesh" and the "Israel of God". In Leviticus 11 and 1 Peter 2, both are called to be "a chosen, holy nation, royal priesthood, and peculiar people" that proclaims salvation in the Lamb to a dying world.

    His warnings in Jeremiah 3 to the the "Israel of the flesh" and Revelation 2 to the "Israel of God" again appear to be the same: "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

    But, regarding the question that is on the table: Can we point to any instance in Scripture where God has ever or will ever deliver one or the other from His judgment against their rebellion without either having first repented and turned back again to Him with their whole heart?
  7. In Grant R. Jeffrey's book, The Signature of God, he decoded a prophesy about this subject from Ezekiel 4:3-6.
    In it he cites Ezekiel 4:3-6 which prophesies 390 years plus 40 years as punishment through the Babylonian exile. This totals 430 years of punishment. The Jews were in exile for 70 years, from 607 BC to 537 BC. Subtract the 70 years punishment from the 430 total which leaves you with 360 years more punishment. 537 BC minus 360 years gives you 177 BC. Nothing significant happened at that time. This puzzled scholars until another scripture was used to complete the puzzle. In Leviticus chapter 26, God lays out additional punishment for lack of repenting for the sins. Multiple times God says punishment will be increased by 7 times.

    So using this, the fact that many Jews did not return to Israel and those who did were unrepentant, the 360 years would be multiplied by 7.
    360 x 7 = 2,520 years. Now you must account for the Jewish year of 360 days as opposed to our 365.25 day year. To convert to days, take 2520 x 360 (days per year)= 907,200 total days. Convert this to our years. 907,200 days / 365.25 (for our years) = 2483.7782.
    Move forward this many years from the fall of 537 BC, accounting for there being no year 0 since the year after 1 BC was 1 AD. Start at 536.4 BC, (the fall of 537), and go forward 2,483.78 years and you get, ready for this........, 1947.38, which is the spring of 1948, the year Israel became a nation again.
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  8. God did not bring forth the Israel we have now as THE Israel of prophecy.

    It is no better than in the time of Jeremiah and it does not encompass the land given by God.

    It is a false Israel created by men that lusted for power. Fallen, twisted and filled with inequity.
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  9. I thank Grant Jeffrey because of his book I did my own study on this and even wrote my own program (free on my site) that'll do all those calculations without needing all the conversions. Of course, he's off a bit. 1 Tishri 3225 (4 Sep 537 BC) + 907200 = 28 June 1948 - close but no cigar.
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  10. It's a well known fact that the Israelites who returned to Jerusalem did repent of their idolatrous ways (the whole reason for the captivity was due to Israel's "whoredoms" in worshipping Baal and other pagan gods), for the Babylonian captivity forever cured them of that. In fact, they were so conscientious about corrupting themselves again with paganism that they erected a spiritual wall between themselves and the idolatrous nations surrounding them to prevent that from ever happening again, but that prevented them from accomplishing what God had intended them to do - proclaiming to the world the coming Lamb of God that would take away the sins of the world. When the Lamb finally did come, the very suggestion by Jesus that the Gentiles were to be partakers of the same salvation that they claimed for themselves aroused the fiercest indignation in them.

    Time after time, Israel "did evil in the sight of the Lord" and suffered enemy occupation or displacement, and never once as far as I see it did God deliver them unless they cried out to Him in repentance or were willing to repent at the behest of whatever judge or prophet that He raised up.
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  11. Amen, bro. Jesuit Futurism, a 16th century Papal idea designed to redirect the accusations by Protestants that it was Antichrist, claims that the Antichrist would sit in a rebuilt temple in the land once again populated by Israelites. Since there is much evidence that the Papacy was very much involved with the highly occult U. N. since its inception (watch the video), what better way to establish credibility for Jesuit Futurism in the minds of Protestants, who are now giddy with excitement over it, than by the U. N. working to create a sovereign state in Israel in 1947.
  12. Nehemiah 13 and Ezra 9 and 10 tells of the many who did not repent after returning.
  13. #13 Phoneman777, Aug 27, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2014
    Did some intermarry and break the Sabbath? Yes, but this is nothing compared to the abominations of idolatry (sacrificing a firstborn to Baal or wicked, licentious orgies in the groves in honor of Ashteroth.) Nehemiah took decided action to prevent these mistakes from becoming a door for such idolatrous wickedness to enter into the land once again - he did not call the people to give up their idolatry, as in the day of Elijah, because there was no idolatry in the land. They had repented of it, unlike modern day Israel who to this day still refuses their Messiah.

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