there had to be yes i know technically the thief on the cross was in paradise. still yet heaven was created before Christ ascended
How about Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration, they appeared in glorious fashion or in glory.
I believe they were in the paradise side of Hades/Sheol and were called to the earth at that time. Afterward they returned to paradise, where they wait to be caught up in the rapture.How about Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration, they appeared in glorious fashion or in glory.
then where did those go who died before the resurrections? Hebrews 11 i am not going get all technical in the o.t they had to look to the finished works of the cross Isiah 53 . heaven has always been heaven how else would the o.t prophets go? soul sleep there are things beyond our comprehension . i am not a supporter of soul sleepWho would it have been? What Scripture supports your post in light of John 3:13...........
"No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man."
then where did those go who died before the resurrections? Hebrews 11 i am not going get all technical in the o.t they had to look to the finished works of the cross Isiah 53 . heaven has always been heaven how else would the o.t prophets go? soul sleep there are things beyond our comprehension . i am not a supporter of soul sleep
you have yours and i have mine . i plan on sticking with mine . the resurrections gives us n.t saved = eternal life the cross paid the price for our sinsIn other words, our faith makes us "perfect" (Greek: telios - complete) in Christ Jesus,
I do not agree with you my brother. I have made it a point to post Bible Scriptures so as to make sure everyone know that I am NOT giving MY POV.
Jesus was called "THE" Son of God because He was the Son of God. BEGOTTEN means "ONE AND ONLY".
Correct in that He was INCARNATED through Mary by the HS.
Now to say that it does not matter is I accept the record from the Bible. Do YOU actually believe that?????
To say that "The Sons of God bred with human women." and that is what the Bible says.......Is just not correct!
The Bible does not say anything about demons or fallen angels mating with women.
It is what YOU want the Bible to say because that is what you have been told and it sounds goo so you believe it---but in fact it does not say that at all.
Genesis 6:1-4.........
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Now please tell the world where in those Scriptures are the words...Fallen angels, demons, !
The N’filim we're not human,we know this. Otherwise the narrative would not say the sons of God looked upon the daughters of men.I do not agree with you my brother. I have made it a point to post Bible Scriptures so as to make sure everyone know that I am NOT giving MY POV.
Jesus was called "THE" Son of God because He was the Son of God. BEGOTTEN means "ONE AND ONLY".
Correct in that He was INCARNATED through Mary by the HS.
Now to say that it does not matter is I accept the record from the Bible. Do YOU actually believe that?????
To say that "The Sons of God bred with human women." and that is what the Bible says.......Is just not correct!
The Bible does not say anything about demons or fallen angels mating with women.
It is what YOU want the Bible to say because that is what you have been told and it sounds goo so you believe it---but in fact it does not say that at all.
Genesis 6:1-4.........
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Now please tell the world where in those Scriptures are the words...Fallen angels, demons, !
No problem for me.you have yours and i have mine . i plan on sticking with mine . the resurrections gives us n.t saved = eternal life the cross paid the price for our sins
Correct. They looked to the cross and when Jesus died on it, their looking and hoping was realized. They could not go to where God is in heaven until the sacrifice of the perfect blood of God was done!By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
by the sea shore innumerable.
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
as i stated by faith the looked to the finished works of the cross/ heaven has been there from the beginning
My dear friend..........this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread!The N’filim we're not human,we know this. Otherwise the narrative would not say the sons of God looked upon the daughters of men.
The offspring of their union with women were the N’filim.
Sons of God,bin Elohim, is further proof they were not human.
Human reproduction doesn't produce giants.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/nephilim
NEPHILIM (Heb. נְפִילִים), a race of giants said to have dwelt in pre-Israelite Canaan (Num. 13:33). Genesis 6:1–2 relates that the "sons of gods," i.e., divine or angelic beings, took mortal wives; verse 4 continues, "It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared [lit., were] on earth–when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes [Heb. gibborim] of old, the men of renown." This could mean that the Nephilim were contemporaneous, but not identical, with the offspring of divine beings and earthly women, who were called gibborim (so, e.g., Morgenstern, in HUCA 14 (1939), 85ff.). The above translation, however, follows an ancient tradition in equating the Nephilim and the gibborim as offspring of the union of *angels and mortals .
No sir.....I have NO opinions which is way I posted the Scripture in Luke 16. YOU asked where the O.T. saints went at death and I gave you what the Bible said.you have yours and i have mine . i plan on sticking with mine . the resurrections gives us n.t saved = eternal life the cross paid the price for our sins
Now the sons of God matter has nothing to do with this thread?My dear friend..........this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread!
However.....I will accommodate your post and in your above quote it says =
"The above translation, however, follows an ancient tradition in equating the Nephilim and the gibborim as offspring of the union of *angels and mortals"
Anyone can visit site after site to find something to support what they want to believe. I however use the Bible!!!!
When we read the Bible we see that The Nephilim are known as great warriors and biblical giants (see Ezekiel 32:27 and Numbers 13:33).
In this sinful and wicked last days’ generation, a great many folk have ever-itching ears to hear and believe some new false doctrine shed abroad by a great number of people, And a perennial favorite is the false doctrine that the nephilim (Hebrew), for giants, of Genesis 6 are the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men.
Please note that throughout God’s holy Word, “the sons of God” refer, exclusively, to ALL WHO ARE OWNED BY GOD...both GOOD angels and saved humans. Never is there any record of demons or fallen angels referred to as "Sons of God".
Acts 17:26-28 tells us something very important.
"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Amen — let us praise Him continuously, for He is good, and His mercy endureth forever! The above passage makes it irrefutably clear that mankind is of one blood. There are not only no separate races of people on earth, but, further, there is no hybrid race of men sprung from any fallen angels. Period.
ummmmmmmm hold up I NEVER asked such a thing i commented - and to clarify things up.. i never used the word opinions .YOU asked where the O.T. saints went at death and I gave you what the Bible said.
You said........"saved = eternal life the cross paid the price for our sins".
Almost!.....JESUS on the cross paid for our sins brother.
ummmmmmmm hold up I NEVER asked such a thing i commented - and to clarify things up.. i never used the word opinions .
lol you got to correct when i say the cross it has Jesus included
The "spirit" of the thread is, Were there any humans in heaven before Jesus".Now the sons of God matter has nothing to do with this thread?
Sad.
Start another thread !Now the sons of God matter has nothing to do with this thread?
Sad.
there is no false impressions even Paul wrote the preaching of the Cross is foolishness' to the lost . but to those saved its our power. so there is no false impression on just using the crosswe do not want to give a false impression to them that salvation is anything less that what God did when He did on the cross.
I'll leave that to the one that chose to introduce the topic and therein invited responses.Start another thread !