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[my point in bringing up 1 tim 2 was to draw contrast as to how the two passages are treated.
Genesis 1: That's what it says so that's what happened.
1 tim 2: "well, if you look at the broader context" "it's only 2 or 3 sentences"
How is literalness the only way in genesis 1, which is illogical when taken literally, but 1 tim 2:11-12 is not taken literally. Actually, the most basic meaning is changed through "contextualizing"... The passage literally says "I don't permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man", but after we're done contextualizing it, it reads "I don't permit people to be disruptive", or "I don't permit uneducated people to teach or have authority over educated people" (i've heard both before). Both of those interpretations don't work because they have no correlating elements to the Adam & Eve reference that is given immediately after within the same passage.
But Genesis 1, nope... it says what it says.]
I am not aware of anyone who thinks 1 Timothy 2: is speaking symbolically or metaphorically.
While there are places in the Bible that are not to be taken literally, like when Jesus says, "Heaven is like..." 1 Tim is not one of them.
Paul is advising Timothy how to deal with a real problem within the church. He begins his letter with a greeting as is usual. Then he states his purpose for writing:
" 3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith"
The book of Timothy is a letter, just one letter written to encourage and advise Timothy on how to deal with current problems while he waits for Paul to come to Ephesus.
There is no sybolism. Paul states the problem and how he wants Timothy to address those problems clearly.
The debate among Christians arises over Paul's comments in 1 Ti 2:
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Let's go back to chapter one, remember this is all one letter. v. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
This is a specific problem in this specific church. Paul does not say, at first, who these disrupted false teachers are, not until chapter to. Remember one letter. It was translators who divided it into chapters, not Paul.
False teaching from women is not the only issue, but the biggest concern.
[my point in bringing up 1 tim 2 was to draw contrast as to how the two passages are treated.
Genesis 1: That's what it says so that's what happened.
1 tim 2: "well, if you look at the broader context" "it's only 2 or 3 sentences"
How is literalness the only way in genesis 1, which is illogical when taken literally, but 1 tim 2:11-12 is not taken literally. Actually, the most basic meaning is changed through "contextualizing"... The passage literally says "I don't permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man", but after we're done contextualizing it, it reads "I don't permit people to be disruptive", or "I don't permit uneducated people to teach or have authority over educated people" (i've heard both before). Both of those interpretations don't work because they have no correlating elements to the Adam & Eve reference that is given immediately after within the same passage.
But Genesis 1, nope... it says what it says.]
I am not aware of anyone who thinks 1 Timothy 2: is speaking symbolically or metaphorically.
While there are places in the Bible that are not to be taken literally, like when Jesus says, "Heaven is like..." 1 Tim is not one of them.
Paul is advising Timothy how to deal with a real problem within the church. He begins his letter with a greeting as is usual. Then he states his purpose for writing:
" 3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith"
The book of Timothy is a letter, just one letter written to encourage and advise Timothy on how to deal with current problems while he waits for Paul to come to Ephesus.
There is no sybolism. Paul states the problem and how he wants Timothy to address those problems clearly.
The debate among Christians arises over Paul's comments in 1 Ti 2:
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Let's go back to chapter one, remember this is all one letter. v. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
This is a specific problem in this specific church. Paul does not say, at first, who these disrupted false teachers are, not until chapter to. Remember one letter. It was translators who divided it into chapters, not Paul.
False teaching from women is not the only issue, but the biggest concern.
darn, I have to go