Your thoughts on TEN verses

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by ATP, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. What are your thoughts on these TEN verses. A good discussion. - ATP :love:

    ALL SINS ARE COVERED - Col 2:13-15 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

    ALL SINS ARE COVERED - Rom 4:1-8 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7“Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”

    THERE IS NOW NO CONDEMNATION - Rom 8:1-4 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,b God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    WHO WILL BRING ANY CHARGE - Rom 8:33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

    GOD LOVED FIRST - Rom 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

    NEITHER PRESENT NOR FUTURE - Rom 8:38-39 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    INHERITANCE KEPT IN HEAVEN FOR YOU/SHIELDED BY GOD'S POWER - 1 Peter 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

    WE WERE CHOSEN/WE WERE MARKED WITH A SEAL - Eph 1:11-14 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

    CANNOT BE SNATCHED FROM JESUS/FATHER'S HAND - John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

    WE HAVE CROSSED OVER FROM DEATH TO LIFE - John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

    - ATP
  2. #3 KingJ, Jan 28, 2015
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2015
    Made alive with Christ = we qualify to go to heaven. We were dead in our sins = we were in Abrahams bosom / unqualified for heaven / dead does not always = Hades / eternal damnation.

    Faith / belief that Abraham had, was NOT ''' I believe God exists, I believe God will strike me with lighting if I don't obey Him, I have faith that God will bless me if I do as He wishes''. The faith Abraham had was in God. Abraham believed / knew / trusted / had faith that God was good. Abraham knew that this exceedingly good God had an extremely good / sane / loving reason for asking him to do something so crazy (kill his son). Abraham by having faith in God and approving of a good God is making known to all and especially God that he approves of what is good. This is why his faith was accounted to him as righteousness. Much like David having a heart after God's.

    What is VERY interesting here is the underlined. What this is saying is that when we like Abraham and David have a heart after Gods / hate what is evil / cling to what is good / do not love wickedness / all this translating into being able to sincerely repent Psalm 51:17 and try our best to turn from what is evil Rom 12:9.....the righteous requirement which we could still not meet, is met by Jesus.

    Basically, we get ourselves into Abrahams bosom. Jesus gets us who are in AB to heaven. Those in Hades however had / have no hope as unlike Abraham and David they do not hate what is evil / have faith ''in God''...they love the darkness John 3:19 / choose to not put any faith in God. Ie they do not approve of God and His ways, they hate Him / ie they hate what is good and love what is evil.

    This is along the lines of ''do not call common what God has sanctified''. Our past is our past. If God sees it fit to forgive and forget so too should we.

    God loved ALL first. In fact Matt 5:44 seems pretty clear that God still loves His enemies.

    Can we add hell to that verse? Neither an eternity in hell will separate us from the love of God. God tells us to love our enemies. God will do the same.

    This verse also makes me think about James 5:20. How one good action can cover a multitude of sins. It seems that those who make it to heaven will stay in heaven for eternity...not because we are always good and kind, but rather because of the depth of intent we sank to. That was needed to have the Holy Spirit reveal Jesus to us 1 Cor 12:3. Kind of like how we put up with our wives because we always recall the day they chose to be our wives.

    Shielded by God....just like the Lambs book of life is shielded by God. The only point here is that if God permits you to make it to heaven, nobody except for God can touch your inheritance.

    This is quite a strong argument for OSAS. I mean God does not make mistakes. God would not reveal Jesus to someone 1 Cor 12:3 unless that someone let Him in and wanted Him in Rev 3:20 as God judges our hearts and minds at a level we cannot comprehend Jer 17:10. But yet we cannot ignore the fact that just like the lambs book of life, us being sealed is something that God has control over. This kind of scripture has to be read in light of other scripture mentioning that we must not tempt God, God has the power to send us to hell Matt 10:28.

    This is the same as the inheritance scripture. God protects or destroys our inheritance. God decides if someone's name is erased from the Lambs book of life. Think of the Jews that worshipped the golden calf in Ex 32:33 The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

    Verses like this always need to be accompanied with a proper explanation of what ''believe'' actually entails. As the devils believe.

    The only way we can be certain / get confidence in our salvation is to judge ourselves on our faith 1 Cor 11:31. Do we have faith in God like Abraham did? Can we, just like Paul truthfully say 'What I hate I do' Rom 7:15?

    The difference between Arminian and OSAS is minute when you consider that we are humans and God is God. IMO only a fool would say 'I have made it' 1 Cor 10:12.
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  3. Correct, I would say Rom 10:9-10 describes how and what we believe in.
    Believing that Jesus is our Lord and Savior only comes once.
    The devil believes Jesus is Lord, but never his Savior.
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