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Ye are Gods

Discussion in 'Doctrinal Discussions' started by Abdicate, May 19, 2015.

  1. John 10:34 (KJV)
    Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? ​

    Jesus was quoting:

    Psalms 82:6 (KJV)
    I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High. ​

    I've heard many a discussion about this and 99.999999% are eager to point out that we are NOT gods in direct violation of the word of God - yet I agree. There are many meanings of the word Elohim but in the Greek it says "gods" - theos. So, what is the Holy Spirit trying to say in this? Let's start at the beginning.... way back.

    Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
    And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ​

    We are a body, a soul, and a spirit, 1 Thess 5:23, just like God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Genesis 1:27 (KJV)
    So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. ​

    This verse is key to understanding about what the Holy Spirit is saying in that we are gods. Man was given a great gift when made in the image of God. That gift is the ability to create life. A life with a spirit. A child. Every human has a part of God in them, His Spirit, His life. That gift was given to man and every time a child is conceived a little part of God is placed in that body. This is why God loves us all and why abortion and hell are so bad. While the aborted child will return to God Who sent it, when one goes to hell, God will never deal with that part of Him ever again. :cry:

    Well that's it. I heard that the other day - sadly I don't remember from where - but thought it was very important to share.
     
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  2. Yes, and to me the greatest Mystery is how God would take apart a himself--Christ--an place Him in the believer. Born-again believers have a new life, nature, joined to another Spirit, and Father. To me it really seems futile to try to clean up our old lives when they have been crucified with Christ on the cross.
     
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  3. I believe we have Gods spirit in us, but not that we are little gods.
    I won't go into details as I doubt I'm allowed, but I just left a movement because they believe in that very thing.
     
  4. Huh?
    I thought Jesus was saying Ye are God's. Meaning we belong to God. Not meaning we are God Himself. I mean that's silly. That bears out in the context. Sometimes they don't put punctuation in the Bible. But we know from the context what it means.

    Yes we were made in the image of God, even though we earthly right now, in heaven we will be close to Him. Born again believers will be at one with Him. Each child born has the image of God stamped in him/her, it is a lie to say they are not belonging to God. God is our creator.
     
  5. If that were the case, He would have said "God's" and not "gods". There is NO punctuation missing anywhere.

    He meant that we, as God's special creation, are created in His image and are endowed with the powerful ability to judge---gods = magistrates. We will one day rule over angels!
     

  6. Should seek God in this and require spiritual understanding and then you will knoiw that you know.
    Blessings
    Jim
     
  7. Has any one ever thought that we are not only created in His image but we are just like Jesus.
    It is in His written word.
     
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  8. Brother Abdicate Please I beg of you to take this further. Dig into His word and lets get some things proven once and for all. ; )
    GOD Bless You
    Jim
     
  9. In God's eyes, He sees us as already complete, and as He created us to be, yet in our sphere, or realm, we are being changed into Jesus' image, from glory to glory! We are being prepared to literally assume our roles as kings and priests in the Kingdom.
     
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  10. Simply put we are just like Him and need some perfecting in us.
     
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  11. When Jesus says in the Bible that we will do greater works than He has done. And the spirit that is in us is the same one that Jesus received when He was baptized by John. As Jesus stated many times...it is the Father who dwells within Him who does the works....not Jesus Himself.

    Really honestly if you think about your being filled with the Holy Spirit....and the way that Jesus spoke about if you have seen Him, you have seen the Father.....we are one with Him right now. We just need to have our flesh and emotions trained to better display Christ-like behavior. And that can be done by renewing the mind to what and how Jesus told us to do. Like taking every word of 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 and emulating that verse. Not allowing your body or mind to act or react any other way.

    It was easier for Jesus because He was not born with a sin nature....but as He is so are we in this world. And with God All things are possible. In Hebrews it talks about how Jesus had to learn through obedience just like we have to and He came in the flesh to show us that it is possible when one is connected with the Father via the Holy Spirit. And as we grow and allow Him to change us....then we gain the fruits of the Spirit...but we have to yield to the Ways of God first...and as we take the first step by faith...the Holy Spirit steps in to supernaturally help us.
     
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  12. Did you know that much of the Bible was not written with punctuation?

    And not one person said we don't belong to God......we are His totally in every way.
     
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  13. I'm just responding to Kristen E's post.
    I know some people teach it the wrong way...as she found out. Then they think whatever they do, there's no accountability to our Father. Because new agers believe they are actual gods too. Shirley Maclaine anyone?

    some background on her new age beliefs.

    http://www.gospelhour.net/2259.html

    also the anti-christ believes he/she is actually God.
     
  14. Lanolin that is not what isn being talked about in this thread.
    To be honest Lanolin satan counterfits the things of God so he also twist what the word says with those such as you have mentioned of the new age. This in return causes people to quickly twist and turn the truth as well instead of taking time to honestly seek God in these matters.
    Have a wonderful day
    God Bless
    Jim
     
  15. I know that you were just talking to Kristen. But something that i wanted to respond to is that as you are right that the antichrist believes that they are god....but in God's people acting like God...the attitude of the heart is different. It's not all about them (which in the antichrist is all about them and what they can do) its about God and trusting what He can do through us.
     
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  16. Wasn't he referring back to the OT, the judges? I don't get how we ARE Gods? I think the scriptures are being twisted somehow .
    Also Lucifer was kicked out for that very reason, AND its one of the ten commandments.

    Update: I can see the point of having babies, but the Bible says that God creates our babies, He formed them, and knew them beforehand.
     
  17. Yes, the reference was to judges---magistrates. God refers to His people as magistrates and the word "gods" is used. Very highly esteemed. Top notch. Heavenly inspired.

    The scriptures are only twisted by people who do not want to really understand them.
     
  18. When God set up "judges" they were used as a means for God to judge, and deliver his people. These judges were only a mouth piece for to use by God to speak to his people.

    Jdg 2:18 Whenever the LORD raised up judges for them, the LORD was with the judge, and he saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge. For the LORD was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who afflicted and oppressed them.
     
  19. Good responses, here is how I put it

    In Isaiah 43:10, the Lord Himself tells us that He alone is God and that there was no God formed before Him, and there will be no gods formed after Him. Therefore, these passages cannot in any way be referring to men or women as somehow or in some sense being equal to the eternal deity. So then what can this usage of the term “gods” you referenced in the Scriptures mean?

    The Hebrew word in question is “elohim”. This word, though it is used for the Creator in Genesis, is not actually a name, nor is it a word that only describes the one and only God (like YHVH). In ancient Semetic languages, even Canaanite dialects, elohim is somewhat of a generic title. In the Canaanite pantheon there are many El’s. Abraham called the Lord our God, El-Shaddai, or God Almighty, in order to indicate that He was the only real, as well as the most powerful, God. He referred to Him as El-Elyon to refer to His being the Most High, again a reference to His being the only true God, the Creator of the Universe and all it contains. Elohim, as it is used for God, is in itself the plural of the title “Eloah” and indicates, as we Christians and some of the early Rabbis would understand it, the tri-une nature of the one God, or for us, the one God in three persons, but for others, like the above mentioned Jewish people, it refers to a plurality of majesties or attributes of the one God. For yet others it represents a plethora of god-like beings, including angels, of whom YHVH is supreme Sovereign, therefore in Job the angels are called beni-Elohim, or sons of God.

    The root of the word contains the idea of great strength or power to effect, and therefore was always used to refer as well to those people who held offices that were allegedly instituted by or empowered by God (YHVH), or the gods, i.e., Kings, Princes, Judges, Priests, Prophets, Magistrates, etc., who it was assumed received their authority ultimately from the one God or the many gods depending on your cultural perspective. These individuals or groups, like God, had the power to effect your life, sometimes even to the point of whether or not you get to keep it!!! You can learn more about this aspect of the term from most good Commentaries or Bible Dictionaries (See either Matthew Henry’s, Adam Clarke’s, or Jameison Fausset Brown’s, Bible Commentary, and a very good, low priced Bible Dictionary is, Smith’s Bible Dictionary, Jove Publications Inc., N.Y., 1977).

    Next, when He references Psalm 82 referring to the religious leaders of Israel, it is because God had given authority to Israel to keep, teach, and enforce His word, and because of this, He calls them "elohim" as well. Jesus reminds them that the word cannot be in error, so why do they have a problem with such a miracle worker referring to Himself as Messiah? As far as the common person is concerned, the religious leadership were as gods to them, in the sense that they at least appeared to carry the LORD’s authority, and had the power to exercise His law. However, please not that this Scripture in Psalms still indicates God’s ultimate authority and presence within the congregation. Because God appointed them and empowered them over others, by their office and authority, they fall within the sphere of “elohim”, but they are not God or eternal deity any more than the Judges were.

    The Son of Man, Son of God, the eternal Word (Memra/Logos), however, is deity, and thus has the authority to execute judgment, forgive sins, accept worship, and even give life, because He is the Creator (all the fullness of the deity dwelling bodily). They all knew that their traditions all agreed that “the Word” was God personified (pre-Christian traditions later used in paraphrasing the Scriptures, see Targum Jonathan; Targum Onkelos, etc.,)!

    So even though by the new birth (John 3:3-8; Acts 2:38) we become partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), we are not a god, we are however “elohim”, by nature of the fact that God, through Messiah, the Word, has empowered us, and given us a degree of power and authority to act in His name, but we are not little gods, in that we are now somehow superior or in a position to rule over others (1 Peter 5:3). We are not deity! We are human beings who have been gifted eternal life, by grace, because He loves us (John 3:16; Titus 3:3-8). Peace be unto you!

    Paul
     
  20. Ya know, I wrote this because I thought it an excellent example of a truth that is misunderstood and reading what people are writing in response, they must not have read what I wrote, not because they're not agreeing with me, but that they're stating that I am saying "we are gods" when I am not. It utterly amazes me. It's no wonder there are 41,000 denominations. People see what they wish to see and believe what they want to believe. :cry:
     

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