Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Ingbert, Feb 11, 2011.
The things we choose to do are the things we CHOOSE to do. We all have many feelings and desires every minute of our lives. Whether or not we act on those feelings and desires is a thing called SELF control. A person choosing to practice homosexuality is an intention in the same way that a decision to remain faithful to the one partner for life is an intention.
The PRACTICE of homosexuality is a choice. Following Christ is a choice, but they are mutually exclusive choices.
To follow Christ and the Lord requires that you follow the teachings and commands of Christ and the Lord, and one of those teachings and COMMANDS is to NOT practice homosexuality. If you do not follow this teaching and command you are not following Christ, only under the ILLUSION you are following Christ.
For instance how can that pastor Faith-c mentioned, preach from the pulpit the word of the Lord that homosexuality is an abhorrent sin and detestable to Him while practicing the very same detestable sin CONTRARY to His word and COMMAND? That would just make them to have the outward appearance of godliness but denying the power and authority thereof. Hebrews 5:9 declares that Jesus is the author of salvation to them that OBEY Him. This person is not obeying His word and command.
Somehow, I don't think he's preaching that. I imagine his understanding of those verses is a little bit different than yours.
Absolutely! To accept Christ as Lord and Saviour means accepting His standards for our lives. We cannot choose Christ and continue in ANY sinful lifestyle, much less celebrate that lifestyle in parades and Mardi Gras.
Yes, we may at times struggle with sin - and every individual will have different sins which present a particular difficulty to him/her - but if we are truly following Christ we will recognize God's hatred of all sin, and if we fall we will quickly repent and ask the Lord to give us the grace to not fall again. We will not say, "Oh, my particular sin is no worse than any other, so I'm going to enjoy it and celebrate it and encourage others to indulge in it."
It doesn't matter whether your besetting sin is the worst in the Book or the least, God wants you to turn from it. You cannot choose sin - any sin - and choose a holy God at the same time.
I'm afraid that there are those who would beg to differ with you on this. A person can be addicted to pornography or pedophilia because the sin has enslaved him/her, but he/she can claim that it is just "who they are" and that it is "natural" to them. Deviation from that which God has declared to be normal is deviation and is sin.
Moved this thread to Bible Study.
[quote="Ingbert, post: 242980"
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 01:56
I'm not looking for answers like, "It's an abomination," but why is this particular abomination so much worse than other abominations such as gossip (Prov. 6:19)?[/quote]
Personally I do not think you are looking for any answeres at all. I believe that you have made up you mind what it is that you chosse to do and everything else is just to confirm your choice.
SIN IS SIN!
Any thing that God say that we are not to do and we do it..........that is SIN. Wheher it be lieing, stealing, killing etc.
Disobedience to God's Word and command's is SIN. There are NO degrees of sin in God's eye. When we break one of God's LAws we have broken ALL of them.
Homsexuality is a choice which you seem to have made for yourself. My friend...........THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A HOMOSEXUAL CHRISTIAN. You must repent of your sin (homosexuality) and come to Christ and them go and SIN no more.
That is the bottom line.
They are VERY clear and VERY "up front". You'd have to work pretty hard to reinterprete them to mean anything else. The point is if that person is preaching something else then it is no longer the word of the Lord that they are preaching but a doctrine that is not from the Lord or Jesus. The result is the same, if you preach what the Lord did not teach you are no longer following Christ but somebody ELSE'S teachings and commands.
I am sorry but I do not believe you for ONE SECOND and what you just said IS NOT TRUE.
I have been at Disney in Orl;ando on Gay Day and I for one have seen just about everything that the mind can think of in broad daylight take place and If you have been to a Gay Day Parade YOU have seen it as well!!!!
I am not claiming anything...I am flat out telling you that it takes place right in front of you.
I do not mean to be graphic but I HAVE SEEN with my eyes men kissing, women foldling each other, nudity, and I even made a point to tape the things that took place in certain rides and exhibits. So please do not test our intelligence by saying you HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYHING TAKING PLACE.
The only way you did not see anything is that you had your eyes closed.
Now there is a word that one does not see every day..............."Homosexual intercourse".
Good grief my friend. Do you not know that there is NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!!
It is the reason for HIV which leads to AIDS which leads to death!!!!!!!!!!
Every single person to contract HIV has developed into AIDS and every single person with AIDS has died.
In Africa alone the death rate is estimated to be 25 million by 2013.
"I know of some homosexuals who are actually believers in Christ but who do not attend any church because of their homosexuality. "
Not so my friend. There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian!!!!!!!!
If the person is professing to be a Christian yet is unrepentantly practicing homosexuality, then it would appear that he would not be saved.
1 John 2:4..........
"The one who says, 'I have come to know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
So, a homosexual can be saved, but once saved, the Spirit of God will move that person to repent of the sin of homosexuality. If a person continues to practice homosexuality unrepentantly, promoting it, etc., then that person would not be demonstrating evidence of regeneration therefore HE/SHE IS NOT SAVED.
What church would that be??????
Sounds to me like you just made that up to substaniante your homosexual belief. I have been in lots and lots of churches and I have never ever to this day seen or been in one which tolerated or encouraged fornication in any way whatsoever and I do not believe that you have either!! IMO.
IF you have, then I will be glad to have you tell me the name and phone number and I promise you I will be more than happy to call them and confront them or him.
Why would you think that? I haven't received any answers yet, only excuses and justifications and things like "they're not real Christians" or....
Is nobody here willing to even acknowledge that homosexuals are treated differently than other sinners by Christians in general?
Or is it just that nobody actually read the OP?
No, homosexuality is not a choice.
Yes, there is.
Specifically what sin are you accusing me of? You must answer this in detail if you want me to reply to any more of your rants.
Believe what you want. We're done.
Actually the pastor is a She. lol! but that's besides the point. However some people have their disagreements with having a female pastor as well.
I find this very offensive that your comparing homosexuality with beastiality and petophilia.
Why do you need to point out to anyone what they are doing wrong? Sounds like it would be for self gratification instead of trying to aide in leading poeple to God. I don't like it when some christians try to push their beliefs on others who may not wish to have the same beliefs. Even if a an unbeliever may have been likely to turn to God you may be pushing them further from him.
I don't wish to ofend you so I'm really sorry if I have. I just felt like I should reply since it looks like my words have the changed and twisted in what I previously wrote.
I had high hopes for this site.. now I'm not so sure this is a place poeple are coming together to grow. I hope saying that changes some hearts and we can set aside some of our differences and come together for God.
thanks for listening.
I was not trying to single you out, but only use your statement which sounds so reasonable at first glance to show, most of us would not apply that "acceptance and let God deal with it" when the same statement is applied to others.
I think you are a very nice and caring person and I'm sorry I didn't give it more thought before using your quote. I am sorry I hurt your feelings and I am sorry for being thoughtless.
Now to address your specific questions.....
Because the Bible tells us we have a respnsibility to try and encourage people to change.
Eze 3:18-19 When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for [a] his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself.
Eze 3:20-21 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous [man], that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins
I used to comfort my sister in her sin because I loved her so, but then I realized I should care more about her eternal soul than feelings. I changed my behavior. The next time she said she felt like she was going to go to hell, I didn't tell her al the reasons God would never send her to hell.
Instead, I told her if she was feeling that way maybe Goid was trying to tell her something and suggested she seek counciling with a good pastor.
The next few months were horrible for me. She was no longer close to me. She was cold and distance. No longer wanted to talk about anything and everything.
I longed to go back to the way it was, but instead I prayed for strength and put my trust in God. And in the end it all worked out.
After that I was always true the God's Word and our relationship was restored.
I never comforted her in her sin again, yet we were close as before.
I RISKED MY RELATIONSHIP ON EARTH WITH HER SO THAT I COULD SPEND ETERNITY WITH HER
Do you understand what I am saying? I gave up the wonderful, incredible, loving relationship with her knowing I might never get it back - she was the most important person in the world to me - her immortal soul was m ore important than my desires and needs!!!!!
My sister died of lung cancer 7 years ago. I miss her so much. I had a dream a few months ago. She called me on the phone. I was so happy, but also felt confused because I knew she had died. I wanted it to be real and I needed to know.
I remembered my mother telling if I ever have a bad dream I should pinch myself and I will wake up.
So I pinched myself in my dream, but I didn't feel anything. I pinched myself again and that's when I realized if I can't feel it I must be asleep, and I woke up.
I don't know why I had the dream, I just miss her so badly and want her back again.
thanks for the appology. I sincerley forgive you.
It didn't! I pointed out all the sins listed in those verses by default, must also only be sin when connected to idol worship. And went a step further to point out some sins aren't mentioned in the Bible at all!!!!!
You are reading into it what is not there.
Ingbert made a false claim and I was pointing the error out.