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who killed nimrod?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by JJ483, Jul 26, 2016.

  1. So I have read two different accounts of who killed nimrod.

    In the Book of Jasher it is said that Esau killed him; while Josephus states that Shem, the son of Noah, killed nimrod. Does anyone know of any good evidence for either accounts.

    Any answers or help would be appreciated
  2. That's interesting. I just found the book of Jasher online. How creditable is it?
  3. Joshua 10:13 (KJV)
    And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.​

    2 Samuel 1:18 (KJV)
    (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow: behold, [it is] written in the book of Jasher.)​
  4. #4 Serene58, Jul 30, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2016
    I do remember reading that in Samuel. That was the starting point of my search.

    In regards to Nimrod being killed. Could he have still been alive at the time?From My understanding it talks about Nimrod being older than Abram. ???
  5. Many believe that Nimrod was Enmer Kad a Sumerian King; as in the Tanakh (Old Testament) they would have not used the vowels. Enmer Kad without vowels would have been nmr and many believe that Moses added the d to denote him as the first rebel after the flood. The reason Kad is not use is this word is it is believed to denote that Enmer was know as a hunter; Genesis 10:9-10.

    I have read on the internet that. Nimrod was killed by Shem as Josephus stated, but that Esau actually killed his son.

    Serene as to if Nimrod could have been around at Abram times, if the Book of Jasher is correct no, for he died at 215 years old. But possibly his son could have been.
    But if the Book of Jasher is wrong, he could have been around with Abram. Nimrod was a great grandson of Noah, grandson of Ham, and son of Cush. When reading the genealogy of Shem in Genesis 10:10-32 we see that at the time that Nimrod was born it was not unheard of, for men to still live to approximately 500 years. This would leave enough time for Nimrod to have been around with Abram. Along with history teaching that Nimrod was the youngest son of Cush; whom Cush had in his old age.
  6. The alleged Book of Jasher we now possess was a pseudepigraphic invention and not the one from the Tanakh. Josephus version holds the most accepted Pharisiac tradition. The third (also merely legendary) option says his own mother (who was his sister and wife) killed him.
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  7. #7 Serene58, Aug 23, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2016
  8. I did however find that Noah would have still been alive during the life of Abraham.

    Which should be a huge hint that it is hogwash! A reasonable argument has been made that Shem may have been alive (possibly even as Melchizedek) but the Bible is silent on this so speculation is senseless.
  9. #9 Complete, Aug 23, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2016
    Hi @JJ483

    The birth of Shem, according to the book, 'The Chronology of the Old Testament' by Dr Floyd Nolan Jones, was in 2446 BC (Gen.5:32), his death in 1846 BC (Gen. 11:10,11). Nimrods kingdom began in 2182 BC (Gen.10:9,10).

    Ref: Dates of Major Biblical Events (p.286 in PDF version) printed version (p.278)
    http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF Books II/Jones - Chronology of the OT.pdf

    In Christ Jesus
  10. #10 Major, Aug 23, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2016
    Read Dr. Hillsaps......."The Two Babylon's".
  11. Agreed!

    Dr. Hillsap's book ....."The Two Babylon's" has done a lot of investigative work of this and he believes that Shem indeed played a huge part of Nimrod's death because of his apostate life.
  12. I read somewhere that "Semeramis" was his, mother/wife. She was also spoken of as the "Queen of Heaven" and the mother of Tamuz.

  13. O no! What I meant was that thru biblical teachings and just calculating Noah's age From Genesis. And when Abraham was born. Noah would have still been alive a good 30 years of Abraham's life. Shem might have been alive. I haven't really looked into him. But Genesis does give us the amount of years and at what point each descendant was born and their fathers age. It could be found out wether he lived or not.
  14. Dr. Jones is way off...even if the Bishop Ussher timeline was close (which I disagree with) that would still make the Noah figure going through his experience around 4000 BC thus when Genesis tells us "This is the account of Shem. Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad." Shem would have been born prior to 4000 BC and it is said he lived another 500 years (around 3500 if we go by Ussher's analysis) and Abraham was born just before the time of Hammurabl around 2000 BC (1500 years later). Ussher came to his conclusion based on two hermeneutics:

    a) Genesis 1-11 is utterly literal, and
    b) he counted the years of the recorded genealogies (which were provided to Moses in even older legend/histories and books/scrolls/kings lists)

    Ussher however missed some important points about record keeping in these ancient kingdoms and legends associated with them (one of which is the exclusion or deletion of reference to entire kingdoms and lineages/persons for whatever their offense assessed by the later kings (we saw this in Egyptology very clearly)

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