When will Satan be Cast Out ?

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by buddyt, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. 5 days before Passover Use the old Hebrew Calendar to calculate this. Be reminded of the time in Prophecy we're living in. Being that we are the generation of the Fig Tree, look for Satan to be Cast Soon.

    John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany where Lazarus was which had been dead whom he raised from the dead. John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. This verse tells us it's now 5 days before Passover John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    Jesus telling us here on this day Satan will be cast out. He was speaking of the end times 5 days before Passover. The book of Revelation tells us he's Cast Out at the 6th Seal the 6th Vial and 6th Trump thus his number the number of a Man 666.
     
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  2. Did you know that in the oldest Greek manuscript there is no 666, only three Greek letters that have no meaning. In fact, they resemble another language which is translated. John was told to write what he saw... not understanding the words he saw, he drew them. Later the scribes who copied his work, also not knowing what these symbols meant, transliterated them into the Greek letters. I have verified what I'm about to show you with an Iraqi, Egyptian, and Bahrainis, none of whom are Christians. Here it is:

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  3. So what are you trying to say ?
     
  4. That 666 isn't scriptural in the sense displayed by Christians as being of the devil or the antichrist. This is why, after all these years, it still hasn't been identified, and the search continues. The truth is, it means something other than the number. Rather than repeat my study here, I recommend that you read it on my site http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=576

    In a nutshell, Rev 13:18 can be translated like this (using the image of the three Greek characters rather than trying to translate it):

    “Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding reckon [calculate, total, estimate, compute] the multitude of the beast [Islam] for it is the multitude of a man [antichrist, Mahdi – Islamic Messiah] and is “In the name of Allah (Bismillah) and the two swords”
     
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  5. The book of Revelation is not necessarily written in the order of events. If one reads with understanding and the simplicity which it is written it is easily understood. Sorry you don't agree with my understanding but that's OK . This number 666 is Spiritual some believe it to be a Chip of some sort or a Tattoo. It simply describes the time of his appearing. It is written.

    This Mark is to receive belief in your mind that he is Christ. Just as the Seal of God must be in your mind for protection of Gods Wrath. It is written.

    You have a Blessed Day
     
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  6. Sorry you misunderstood me. My only point was that 666 isn't in the bible. It's a gematria (numbers assigned to the letters as is Greek and Hebrew since they don't have numbers. e.g. A=1, B=2, C=3, etc.) translation by mystics of three Greek letters that combined, have no meaning in the plain text. No more than if I wrote LBH. It's the only place in the whole word of God like this. Every word, every letter has a meaning, except those three Greek letters. At least from the plain text. There is a very deeper meaning than gematria values of the three letters which add up to 666. But you are correct, it is spiritual and not just physical. I gave my two cents as to its meaning. It's ok we don't agree. God bless.
     
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  7. P.S. throughout the entire word of God, a number is spelled out: forty, six hundred, thirty. Since the three Greek letters have no meaning, the translators used their numeric value, which is an error to me. If God intended it to be a number, He would have written it out, as they do in the English. But in the Greek, it is not.
     
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  8. #8 bobinfaith, Jul 19, 2017
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    Hello Abdicate;

    Thank you for sharing your blog. I read Mark, or Name of the beast, or the Number of his Name Posted on April 27, 2015 by abdicate

    It was very impressive with the mix of Greek, Hebrew, Islam, Christianity and more. This is not for casual reading. It has to be studied.

    On the top right of your blog you state your articles are your thoughts and from your quote here, "That 666 isn't scriptural in the sense displayed by Christians as being of the devil or the antichrist." What I read you are saying is very plain.

    Please help me / us understand, brother, because I'm defending the Bible, that is, every single Word of God is scriptural, seems contrary to what you quoted.

    In Revelation 13:18, 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

    I will agree that the meaning of 666 has been discussed and debated (by whom?) throughout the years in the book of Revelation. Who discusses or debates this? Scholars, theologians, non-believers of the Christ? It never seems clear who is actually discussing this.

    As disciples we have enough challenges studying the True Word of God. But now are we to say parts of the Bible is fallible because the translation is being measured by how close it is to Biblical Greek, Hebrew and their transliteration, other ideologies, or thoughts?

    I will confess I haven't taken Hebrew or Greek yet. They are grueling subjects but am required to take each class in order to complete my Mdiv.


    Hello BuddyT,

    I appreciate your thread and have a question, brother. My reply to your thread is, is this a predication or prophecy? There is a difference. Is there a certain time when there will be a casting out at the 6th Seal the 6th Vial and 6th Trump thus his number the number of a Man 666.

    Are we not teaching the Gospel - to stand firm, not in fear, with hope, faith and the promises of God's LOVE and protection over His believers in Christ when He returns?

    Lets discuss this so we all can understand a little more, encouraging us to participate in your thread.

    Both your threads gave me much to think about. Thank you, brothers!

    Peace in Christ to both of you.
     
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  9. Indeed, this is true. I know Castilian Spanish very well. I can tell you, translating to/from a language introduces a bias, not matter how much one wishes to be neutral. Take for instance, "Que Tio." Copy and paste it into Google translator and you get "What uncle." But almost 100% of its usage in Spain has nothing to do with an uncle. My point is, no translation is 100% accurate because the cultural meaning is missing. Hebrew is an incredibly creative language and almost every word can have multiple meanings. The translator must pick one meaning in order to finish the work. As such, they are limiting the narrative. Still, God's word is so powerful, it can stand man's meddling.

    There are a lot of examples of how a translations that affects a belief. For instance, take Isaiah 35:1 and the second word for desert:

    Isaiah 35:1 (KJV)
    The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. ​

    The word is ערבה (arabah) is indeed translated correctly as a "desert plain, steppe, desert, or wilderness." However, what's lost in this translation is the fact that there is a specific region of Israel called Arabah - http://bibleatlas.org/arabah.htm Notice the red blip and the name along the dotted line. Along this dotted line is a highway, highway 90, where a lot of the food exported to Europe is grown.

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    Check out google maps and zoom in to see the farms:
    https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9310464,35.0560065,14942m/data=!3m1!1e3

    Now, because we went to the original Hebrew, we can see that Arabah is blossoming like a rose.

    This video is 9 years old:



    www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ma7N91haY

    Here's a more up-to-date video:



    youtu.be/oxxYmn3HpDU


    Arabah - a region in Israel.

    Now imagine some others that I have found. For example, punctuation. Bother in Greek and Hebrew, there are no punctuations except for paragraph indents. So just by adding a comma or a period the original language is changed. Here's a test for you: find all the instances of this word: σαββατων

    There are 11 verses with it used 12 times. Nine of those translations are different than the others. Do you see a pattern? What is the original source of the word? Was it ever translated that way ever in the source language? What does that do to its meaning? What belief is now in question? Then read those 11 verse in the Young's Literal Translation.
     
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  10. As I read your posts... I finally have a better understanding about the 666. It makes more sense to me for sure and has been a puzzling question for many many years... so thank you sooo much!

    Blessings to you and your family
     
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  11. As I read this verse and think about a prophecy, and all that is going on in the world today with a lot of seemingly "peaceful" Muslim people and the mixing of or acceptance of many believers of the fact that somehow the same God is being worshipped... And the translation of Allah that is supposed to be also for our God. Put together with the personality of the people, which matches the prophetic word from the angel about Ishmael (Genesis 16:12.....
    Genesis 16:12
    And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren).

    I can see a great deception beginning to take place. The stage is being set up. I can see the revolt. Even reading 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and 7 I see a clearer picture.

    But for/by the grace of God the people of God will not be deceived. Those whom are strong in their commitment and submission to His Word. Amen.
     
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  12. I'm glad I could help. It's a very hard thing to question traditions. And there are a great deal of them.
     
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  13. The tradition of 666 can be broken by the wisdom of the Holy Spirit and if one reads the abp. For those three letters are there instead of 666.

    Besides tradition not backed by the Word is Just a doctrine of demons
     
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  14. #14 buddyt, Jul 20, 2017
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    bobinfaith
    I 'm not trying to prophesy anything. Nor to put fear in anyone. I was only pointing out the words of our Lord. I think it interesting to know that 5 days before Passover is the time Satan will be cast to the earth. My mentioning of the fact that this happens at the 6th seal the 6th trump and the 6th vial was just to give my belief. We know his number to come from Revelation 13:18. To associate this with the 6th seal, trump, vial, doesn't take a rocket scientist.

    Another interesting point is made in Revelation 9:3 The time of the Locust. I don't believe this to be literally Locust but to be men a part of Satan's army. Revelation 9:7 The time of the Locust is what is important. I found this removed link per 1.2 and 6.1a while I looked for the Month to Month life of the Locust in that area. Thank You for your compliment. We learn from each other.

    Have a Blessed Day
     
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  15. #15 bobinfaith, Jul 20, 2017
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    Hello, buddyt;

    I know, brother, and do see your point regarding the revelations and events that will take place, all from the Word of God which is very important, very important that we stay in the Word, be prepared, watchful, which I know you were also pointing out.

    Please let me add during these revelations and events, that the Word of God also offers, encouragement, to stand firm, not in fear, with hope, faith and the promises of God's LOVE and protection over His believers in Christ when He returns.

    I agree with you, lets all continue learning from each other.

    God bless you, buddyt, and thank you for our discussion.




     
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