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When people's political ideas conflict with the bible?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by david161099, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. david161099

    david161099 Member

    I'm asking for the leaned members here tehir opinion on this.

    I am talking about Right Wing political ideas (mainly coming from the USA).

    Have you as a Bible believing Christian encountered other Christians spouting political ideas that are in conflict with the bible?

    What do you think is occurring here?
  2. Ginger

    Ginger Inactive

    I once heard that the right and left wings of politics are reversed in other countries. So, are you talking about our conservation Repulbilcans or liberal Democrats?

    Are you talking about things like abortion and homosexuality being forbidden in God's word? Because that is what most of us would think of, first.
  3. Glomung

    Glomung Well-Known Member

    If you mean the supposedly "Christian" basis for most of the neo-conservative agenda, yes, I am well aware of it.
    The hypocrisy is blinding. In the name of God, they promote endless war, fascism at home, insane fiscal policy, etc...
    I could go on all day.

    The US is in serious trouble, if things continue as they are, this country will not last long.
    How do you tell if a politician is lying? Check if his lips are moving.
  4. Ginger

    Ginger Inactive

    LOL It alsways amazing me how the two different sides of the political fence view things froim a religious point of view. I remember once seeing a quote from Hillary Clinton saying she can't understand how any Christian can be Republican.
  5. Glomung

    Glomung Well-Known Member

    Don't think for a minute that I am a "democrat" either. Poltics in the USA has degraded into a completely
    false left vs right paradigm that only exists to passify the sheeple and give them some target to vent their
    impotent ire. You will note that Clintons' policies are exactly the same as Bushes' policies are exaclty the same as Obamas'
    policies. The figurehead changes, but the train wreck keeps rolling along.
    The CFR dictates our foreign policy, to the benefit of none but military industrialists.
    The banks dictate our domestic policy to the benefit of none but bankers.
    The pharmaceutical industry dictates our health policy to the benefit of none but the pharmaceutical industry.
    Monsanto dictates our agricultural policy to the benfit of none but Monsanto.
    It goes on and on. The modern world is one huge fat lie.
  6. Ginger

    Ginger Inactive

    I couldn't agree more. Our politicians have spent decades destroying our economy and instead of trying to repair the damage, they continue to tickle the ears of their constituents to ensure re-election and endorse the new election of others with the specific purpose of increasing their power!

    The school board in the town where I work, has impressed me so with managiong their funds - without increasing fees and dues, that I kind of wish some of them could run for National office. They amaze me every time they bring up cuts at the State level and say, "but we don't have to worry about that too much, even if they cut funding, we're still in pretty good shape" and then they even talk about expenses that they can afford, like buying new playground equipment and hiring a firm to consult about the maintenance department..... And they have the funds to cover everythin g that comes up - still they look ahead and plan for the inevitable cuts so that they can keep their school open and provide for the students education.

    They have had to make changes along the way, but it amazes me that they have been such good stewarts of their funding to provide for every need. But, their goal is not to remain in power, but to serve their community...too bad our State and Federal politicians have lost sight of that purpose.

    Oooh, I kind of went off on a tangent there... :)

    Back on track.... Our politicians give lip service to God, spouting empty words about their "christian faith" when it serves their purpose, and using God as a tool to gain their selfish desires.
  7. Dok

    Dok Active Member

    ...............and the answer is:

    1. Communism 2. Socialism 3. Capitalism 4. One World Government 5. Islam/Shariah 6. Jesus

    Choose, then inform us as to how to bring it about.
  8. Glomung

    Glomung Well-Known Member

    Communism is the assumption that people will produce more than they consume when given absolutlely
    no reason to do so, major failure.
    Socialism is the assumption that robbing all who succeed will raise the bar for the lazy, major failure.
    Capitolism is the assumption that Mammon is a god, major failure.
    One world government is what is coming within 4 years, God help us all. They'll make the Nazis look like
    boyscouts, before this system fails it will ruin the world.
    Islam is the assumption that Kabul was not completely delusional and that the Koran is not a waste of paper, complete failure.

    Jesus is the answer, but who wants to listen to Him?
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  9. Dok

    Dok Active Member

    Great answer.
  10. gemma

    gemma Member

    Will US break apart into groups of states? Or, is it part of some plan to continue demoralizing the country that has been going on for decades and to eventually not have any power (e.g. help its ally) in the years to come?
  11. Dok

    Dok Active Member

    The effort is to bring to a stunning end the worship of God in Christ in the USA. Europe has already fallen to indifference, the overun from eastern Europe, and the never-ending tide of Muslims, even in Sweden. Christianity in Europe is nothing more than ritual. Church buildings are virtually empty on Sunday. Sermons for multiple congregations are prepared by a "board" and mailed out (or I suspect via E-Mail in many cases). The USA is reaping what it is sewing. There won't be any USA coming to the rescue in world-wide clashes after the rapture of the authentic church. Our fantastic array of electronic warfare systems will collapse. Then all hell will break loose.
  12. Glomung

    Glomung Well-Known Member

    The United Nations intends to divide the world into 10 administrative areas. The US, Canada, and Mexico would be in the North American administrative area.
    It would function much the same as the European Union does now, with all laws enforced, trade controlled, population regulated by the UN.
    As far as the rapture is concerned, the Revelation states plainly that there will be Christians here to suffer through the Tribulation.
  13. Dok

    Dok Active Member

    No, it doesn't. :)
  14. Glomung

    Glomung Well-Known Member

    Yes it most certainly does. The notion of the "rapture" is a very young doctrine, not accepted by any of the Older Churches nor the Saints.

    Revelation 7:13
    13Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” 14I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Revelation 6:9 9When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.
  15. Major

    Major Well-Known Member

    Yes. I have heard a lot, and I do not pretend to understand it.

    Example; Abortion.

    People who claim to be Christians will fight tooth and nail for a canidate who is for abortion. If you vote for a person who is pro-choice YOU then are jsut as guility as he is.

    Example: Homosexual rights in marriage.
  16. Major

    Major Well-Known Member

    Dok............Glomung is completely correct.

    There will be people who come to Christ during the Tribulation, live through the Tribulation and go into the 1000 year rule of Christ as humans, will marry and have children.

    Read Rev. 20 and there you will see it my friend.
  17. Major

    Major Well-Known Member

    The Rapture will reduce the U.S. to a 3rd world country.
  18. Dok

    Dok Active Member

    There's a difference between Christians caught up in the Rapture and those who receive Christ thereafter. No Christian on earth at the point of the Rapture will be left behind. Those who receive Christ during the Tribulation, following the ministry of the 144,000 Jews, will be martyred for their faith. They go instantly to Heaven, where those caught up at the time of the Rapture already are.
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  19. Dok

    Dok Active Member

    Both passages do not apply to those who are caught up in the Rapture of the church. The Rapture of the church is a solid, well-established, long ago truth, in scripture.
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  20. Dok

    Dok Active Member

    I'm asking for the leaned members here tehir opinion on this.
    I am talking about Right Wing political ideas (mainly coming from the USA).
    Have you as a Bible believing Christian encountered other Christians spouting political ideas that are in conflict with the bible?
    What do you think is occurring here?

    Yes, and that too often. Tons of folks who call themselves "Christian" are espousing ideas and concepts that are utterly foreign to scripture. However, I think that your "Right Wing" comment needs some clarification. What's the equation there?

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