What Is Your Opinion On "isaiah 45:7"

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by FoxStop, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. I tried to ask a believer on this question, a verse which i found in the bible, but i don't think he could answer it. So that's why i am asking it here.

    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these Things.

    Just curious to what it means, when it says, create evil?
  2. Welcome to the forum S A, my, what a question for your first one here, why don't you drop in over at the New Members Welcoming Area and tell us a little about yourself and allow us to give you a proper Christian Forum welcoming.

    Also, may I ask how you stumbled on to this obscure little verse tucked away in the Book of Isiah and what is the reason for your question, ...this info will help is to serve you better and meet your needs.


  3. Reasons is because i have read the whole bible, and i am curious to ask questions about some passages, which i don't know the answers too.
    Also thanks for the tip, i'm going to do that right now.
  4. You caught me just as I was shutting down the 'puter, time for work for me, wow, read through the Bible at 23 years of age, I'm impressed, we all have questions, but for now my I suggest you read all of the 45th chapter to know the context, I'm sure there will be others that will chime in soon, I'll be back at lunch time to talk with you.

    Blessings and have a good day,

  5. This is another one of those verses where you need to pay paricular attention what is meant by the words in the original context rather than what most modern English speakers would first think it all means.
    The is no god besides God.
    He creates light and darkness.
    He gives out benefits and punishments.

    The term evil in this case could be better translated as "calamity".

    He makes it to rain on the just and the unjust.
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  6. #6 Roads, Sep 25, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2013
    Yeah. A quick look at Strong's notes (Hebrew dictionary) reveals that the word that's been translated as "evil" here can refer to evil in moral sense, or in a natural sense ("natural" as in the way "act of God" is used in insurance policies). Various translations have translated that word differently: calamity, disaster, trouble, sorrow. The effect of this verse seems to saying that when you see disaster, calamity, etc, that's not evidence of God's weakness or that God is losing control; it is consistent with a worldview where God is in control. It seems similar to Colossians 1:16-17, a declaration of God's supremacy and authority, not a claim that He creates moral evil.
  7. Hey SA, first off to study the Bible we need to answer these questions,
    Who, When, Where, What and Why,
    the verse you have a question about is in the middle of a discourse God is giving, so to understand what it means we have to now the context in which it was given.

    Who - God is speaking about Cyrus the Persian King who conquered Babylon Isa 44:28
    When - After Cyrus had conquered Babylon
    Where - in Babylon
    What - to prove to Cyrus He was the True and living God, Yahweh,
    Starting in Isa 45:1-7 God is refuting the polytheistic superstition/knowledge of the Persians that believed there was a god of light and a god of darkness, a god of peace and a god of evil, thus He says there is only one God and He, Yahweh is that God, Jewish history tells us that Daniel talked with Cyrus and showed him Isa 44:27 in their Hebrew Scriptures,

    who says to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up your rivers;

    Which Cyrus understood well, because that is exactly how he entered impenetrable Babylon, he diverted the Euphrates River and his army entered the city;

    That got Cyrus' attention and then Daniel showed him Isa 44:28,

    who says of Cyrus (He called him by name), He is My shepherd, and shall do all My pleasure; even saying to Jerusalem, You shall be built; and to the temple, Your foundation shall be laid.

    Why - the 70 year captivity of the Jewish people was over and they were to return to their land as prophesied, so God stirred up the spirit of Cyrus to let them leave Babylon and return home.

    And in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, so that the Word of Yahweh in the mouth of Jeremiah might be done, Yahweh stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also in writing, saying, ...So says Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth have been given to me by Yahweh God. And He has commanded me to build Him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May Yahweh his God be with him, and let him go up. 2Ch 36:22, 23

    So, to answer your question, yes, a loving God does create evil, calamity, disaster, trouble, sorrow not haphazardly, but always with a purpose for the good of the person/people affected by it, before the Babylonian captivity the children of Israel were deep into idolatry, always following the gods of the Canaanites, but they learned their lesson in Babylon and to this day they don't/will not follow any other God but Yahweh.

    Where the rub comes in is most people don't see the difference between the evil God creates to bring about a Godly repentance and the evil that comes from the devil who's only objective is to steal, destroy and kill. John 10:10


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  8. Welcome to the forum SA and here's praying you connect and find what I did, on stage, one night. The scriptures are a real mystery without the guiding hand of the Holy Spirit in your life. I see the truth of the matter has already been alluded to and all I can do is to reinforce it. Scripture teaches us that there is no evil in God and that should be our first clue and it is to the Saved among us, that we need to investigate this translation. Another good translation for the word, translated, evil , is calamity, that's the one I, generally favor.

    God bless my friend and here's hoping to hear more from you.
  9. God never does evil but He does still create those who do evil. Think He made satan even though He knew he would father all evil. i hope that answers your question.
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  10. I would make a distinction: God does not do moral evil. But He does do things that we would consider evil in a temporal or personal sense, but that works for the overall good of His creation in the long run.

    For example, when man fell, God gave the curse. From our point of view, the curse appears evil, but it has a good purpose: to limit the effects of man's sin. Can you imagine how bad things would be if man wasn't hindered in anything he did and if he didn't die, yet remained sinful?
  11. I'll be honest, I didn't read through all the answers, so someone probably already said what I'm about to say.

    What I love about this verse is that it first uses the example of Light and Darkness.

    Consider this; technically, darkness is not a thing. Rather, it is a lack of something else. Without light, you will only have darkness. So the idea that God created evil, it doesn't mean that he endorses it or teaches it. Instead, he endorses and teaches goodness and peace. The lack of goodness and peace is evil, so because he created peace, evil had to follow only by process of elimination.
  12. Glomung has given a really good answer for you!
  13. #13 KingJ, Oct 1, 2013
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2013
    You need to learn a lesson here. You can never read one verse on its own. The devil quotes a verse saying that if Jesus jumped angels would catch Him, but Jesus said, 'it is also written, do not tempt God'.

    If you take that verse literally, I will tell you that it is also written that God is good and just. A good and just God can simply not create an evil person and then punish him for eternity for it (worst case scenario of 'create evil').

    Therefore it has to be as Glomung said or something similar.

    Evil from God that we know of = We know that God sends destruction (Sodom and Gomorrah). We know that God kills. We know God uses the devil to test us. But before we conclude and judge God as bad....we read more and grasp that God only sends destruction as a last resort after warnings and even plagues at varying levels. God only kills when all hope for the person is gone...and children go straight to heaven. God made the devil as an angel who was entrusted with the most power, 'the covering cherub'.
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  14. Another way to look at it....God created evil, by creating us and the angels with free will to be able to be good or bad / obedient or rebellious.
  15. The evil God created is man.
  16. Not so my dear! What does the Scriptures say??

    Genesis 1:31
    "And God saw every thing that He made, and behold, IT WAS VERY GOOD. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day".

    However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity or a man. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.

    Think this one over. If a person is asked, “Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.” Wrong! There is no such thing as cold. Cold is the absence of heat. So then darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.
  17. Not really my brother.

    God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.
    Good stuff at, "gotquestions.org.home".
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  18. I must say that I disagree but I believe that as you study, pray and meditate in prayer that the Holy Spirit will show you that you're skewing you perspective with a Worldly View. i.e. Folks believe that God hardening Pharaoh's heart is evil but it is, just, not so. Prayerful reading of the scriptures has connected me with the Spirit, often, and the result on this is that God knew, long before his birth, that Pharaoh owuld never bend and He, God, reacted accordingly.

    When Adam fell into sin, the curse was and still is, justice. Justice may appear harsh but it is still right and is never evil in the Saved Man's perspective.

    God bless.
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  19. And having lived in the Juke Joints for 2/3 of my life I can see that from two opposing points of view, so, here's hoping that you used "man" in the generic manor. :)
  20. The scriptures says man is evil continually. Gen 6:5. Now when the scriptures says what he made was good you are taking that out of context. What he made was good for the purpose it was created. he created evil and called it good because he had a purpose for creating it.

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