What Is 'unmerited Favor'...

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  1. #1 The Town Crier, May 22, 2014
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    Most people today-when asked what 'grace' is, call it 'unmerited favor'... This thread is strictly for those folks. If you do not call grace 'unmerited favor', please do not comment. Having said that...

    For those of you that describe grace as 'unmerited favor', please give a basic description of 'unmerited favor' as you have learned it. Please DO NOT post any sermons or quotes from preachers or pastors and please do not link to any videos on YouTube. Just give the definition that YOU believe fits 'unmerited favor' according as you understand it. Please do not comment on other peoples posts either. Just give your definition of 'unmerited favor'. I am asking the mods to remove any post that refers to someone else's post, so please do not waste the moderators time. Thanks in advance! ( BTW I am not compiling 'a list' of people nor am I going to comment on their posts. I am looking specifically at how many different descriptions I get and how much they vary from each other) It is for a reseach project. At some point I will end the posting and post the results, as well as make one general comment regarding my 'findings') Thank you for participating!
  2. Are you compiling a list? Are you the only person that gets to respond to others posts?
  3. Hi Brian- Thank you for asking-I clarified that for you in the intro(I modified it after your question)

  4. unearned kindness that someone shows you that you are not deserving of.
  5. There is no better description in short of God's grace as the unmerited favour of God.
  6. Here is a good teaching on the topic...:D

  7. Unmerited, meaning we do not deserve it. Favor, meaning he loves us anyways.
  8. Did you not read the original post? I specifically asked for no links to youtube videos but to use your own description. Please do not post anymore links. thank you.

  9. That is the whole point- for you to explain what 'unmerited favor ' is to you. How do you describe 'unmerited favor'? Can you elaborate on 'unmerited favor' for me?

    Thanks, TC
    Where is the Messiah likes this.
  10. #10 Euphemia, May 23, 2014
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    The description is succinct enough. We do not deserve all that God bestows on us, but He chooses to bless us and favour us as His children anyway---because of His great love, and because of His ownership of us as His very own children.

    That's what God's grace is.
  11. I don't see a rule that applies to your demands? Are you a moderator? You guys want to attack Joseph Prince and tie the hands of those who defend him...listen to his own words..He teaches the truth.
  12. Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    God will owe no man anything, if any man has anything from God? He had to first receive that by grace, and if its received, then no man can boast that he has earned it!
  13. Mitspa

    It has zero to do with prince. I don't want them getting sidetracked by some video or sermon irregardless who is on it.( even if it was one I really enjoyed, I would ask to have it removed.) I want people to describe 'unmerited favor' in their own words. Please just honor a simple request- can you? please? thank you in advance...

  14. Please everyone- if you are going to post only do so if you call grace unmerited favor and describe what 'unmerited favor' is to you. Just one post with your own description.

    thanks again, TC
  15. Ok if this is not another kick Joseph Prince thread..like before...:cautious: Ok my above post is my response... No man can "earn" anything from God...that is well established in the scriptures. What do you have that God did not first give to you? ;)
  16. I think "unmerited favour" is a hot topic because we all know our own life circumstances and they vary greatly. Some are wealthy, some are not. Some are healthy, some are not. Merit is hard to get away from in real life and so often we use God as an extension of our own sense of justice. Justice and unmerited favor are completely different!

    For instance one might say "what makes you think that God is going to bless you with health if you keep eating chocolates?"

    We make blessings conditional on our concept of good behaviour and this attitude is rife in Christian forums across the internet.
  17. Favor which is not merited.. That is unmerited favor :cautious:
    Where is the Messiah, Apologia and Mitspa says Amen and like this.
  18. #18 Abdicate, May 23, 2014
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    Grace is a very unique word in Hebrew, which is where we should start don't you think? I hope you make it to the end of this:

    (found in 160 verses in the KJV)

    In Hebrew: חן
    Pronunciation: chen (guttural h)
    Trans-literal spelling: (chn)
    Letter meaning: separate, life; secure, people; and my favorite: life Seed!

    We are to live a separated life!

    Proverbs 18:1 (KJV)
    Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.

    2 Corinthians 6:17-18 (KJV)
    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    We are to live a peculiar life!

    1 Peter 2:9 (KJV)
    But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    We are protected!

    Psalms 91:1-2 (KJV)
    He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

    Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    Life Seed

    Matthew 13:23 (KJV)
    But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

    Luke 8:11 (KJV)
    Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

    John 8:37a (KJV)
    I know that ye are Abraham's seed...

    John 1:17 (KJV)
    For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    More Hebrew:
    The first letter of Grace is het, ח
    The Jewish rabbis teach that het (ח) in the word life (חיים), whose full expression is love; so much so that life literally uses the plural form (ים–) of alive – “alives” (חיים).

    John 10:10 (KJV) “The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”
    The second letter of Grace is nun, נ - when the last letter it looks like this: ן
    The Jewish rabbis teach that nun (נ) means fish, continue or seed, like the word for son (בן) literally meaning by it's letters, in seed; or in continuation. What is the son? The continuation of the generational line.

    Grace's word is proven to be linked to the number five (http://abdicate.net/blog/?p=293).

    Here's another example:

    John 5:2 (KJV)
    Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
    Beit-Esda (בית חסדא) means House of Grace, Mercy or Kindness

    The fifth time Noah is mentioned, it's mentioned with grace:

    Genesis 6:8 (KJV) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

    The same for Ruth:

    Ruth 2:2 (KJV) And Ruth the Moabitess said unto Naomi, Let me now go to the field, and glean ears of corn after him in whose sight I shall find grace. And she said unto her, Go, my daughter.

    The fifth time Joseph is used is:

    Genesis 35:24 (KJV)
    The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin:

    Rachel means ewe of God, Joseph means God increases, and Benjamin means son of the right hand

    Or you could say: The Lamb of God increases (because of God) and is the Son, the right hand of God!

    The fifth time Joseph is mentioned after he goes to Egypt is:

    Genesis 39:2 (KJV)
    And the LORD was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.

    So what IS grace? Well it's honestly hard to define in any language. In Hebrew the word Grace is actually a root word and the following words come from the word Grace:
    • Beauty (as in to show beauty)
    • Room (as in As surrounded by walls, a tent)
    • Spear (from tent poles which support the tent)
    • Camp (same word for prayer, mercy, supplication, plea)! from An encampment of tents also translated in KJV: pitch, encamp, camp, abide, dwelt, lie, rest
    • Freely (translated in the KJV: without cause, for nought, causeless, in vain, free, without cost, freely, innocent, cost me nothing, for nothing, without)
    • Compassion (translated in the KJV: favour, gracious, supplication, intreaties)
    • Grind
    • Mill
    Amazing range of meanings from one word. Now I would be remiss if I didn't include a cousin word to Grace and that's translated as Loving Kindness חֵסֵד chesed. Notice the first letter (het) is the same for Grace. The word's letter meaning is: wall supporting door like when one walks into a tent he must bow to get in, and that's what the word means: showing kindness to one as an equal

    In the KJV it is also translated as: mercy, kindness, lovingkindness, goodness, kindly, merciful, favour, good, goodliness, pity, reproach, wicked

    It is very interesting that both these words (and many more in Hebrew) have an opposite to the initial meaning - like curse and bless are the same word בָּרַך barak!

    Here is an interesting verse:

    John 1:16 (KJV)
    And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

    The phrase grace for grace is literally in the Greek (χάρις charis) is charis anti charis

    I find that amazing because anti normally means against, or opposed to, but here is means in addition to. So literally this verse says: And of His fulness have all we received, and grace in addition to grace!

    Life super-abundant! (John 10:10)

    When we think we've reached the end of God's grace, there's more! And if anyone believes Paul never taught grace, the book of Romans has the most verses with the word Grace it is at 20 verses, then 2 Corinthians with 13, Ephesians with 12 and 1 Peter with 8 as well as the rest of the books attributed to Paul.

    With all these meanings for the same word and similar meanings from other words, Grace is really boiled down to mean:

    unworthy, unearned favor, treated as an equal

    Nothing more to say.
  19. So far a 134 views, yet only a handful of replies....I wonder why? Are people unwilling to speak because they fear being ostracized for their explanation or are they not speaking because they don't know how to respond? Can I get some feedback by those of you who have not or do not wish to reply(though you viewed it?) For those of you who have so far,thank you for your post. Please remember not to put any links to other websites in this thread or comment on another persons post as it tends to lead away from the topic. Thanks again...

  20. So what's you're goal in this thread? It's obviously not a two way conversation...
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