What exactly is wrong with being a church hopper?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by autumn oddity, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. I am sure glad we can re-READ what is written. I think I took this the wrong way the first time through.
    So now I say yes Lord I will slow down and stop doing more then one thing at a time.
    My apologies and blessing sir!
    FCJ
     
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  2. When I listed that as no.1 I didn't mean it was THE number one issue...but it can be an issue. Both 1st and 2nd Timothy give the qualifications of a pastor/elder, and the ability to teach is clearly there. 1st Corinthians shares that the Lord gifts people, and the gift of teaching is one. This gifting and equipping comes from the Lord by means of the Holy Spirit. Every member of the body has their gifting and their place to serve. A man may be honest as he can be, and he may love the Lord sincerely, but not be able to preach to save his life...and that is okay. I'm not talking about error, preaching bad doctrine or stepping on toes or having a certain style or anything like that, but the ability to equip and exhort from and through the word of God. I'm talking about being able to understand them...a message that explains the Scriptures in an understandable way without rambling, how to apply it, and then exhorting the hearer to live out the word. I have seen folks leave a church because the preacher never made sense from the pulpit...and his pastoral ministry was as chaotic as the messages. I have seen confusing, chaotic, incoherent "sermons" that were blamed on the Holy Spirit, but from what I read in the New Testament, the Lord is not the author of confusion. The Spirit of the Lord will make the Spirit-inspired word clear through a spiritually gifted person. Yes, chaotic ministers do cause various people to leave a church.

    Jesus spoke nothing but pure, Spirit inspired words (being the word made flesh) yet He was rejected. He had nothing but edifying messages regardless of whether or not anyone wanted to hear it. Paul wrote that all in Asia had forsaken him, but that did not mean his message was not edifying. The prophets were rejected yet their messages were edifying. Just because the word of God is "out of season" doesn't mean it isn't right or edifying. I have been in ministry for over 20 years, and have known and worked with a few ministers, and you cannot blame poor, ungifted preaching and chaotic ministry on the congregation.
     
  3. Ps 143:10 (KJV)
    Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness.​
     
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  4. #84 Major, Feb 18, 2017 at 6:57 PM
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2017 at 7:08 PM
    I agree with you brother.

    Some men are simply not called to preach the Word of God. They may have a desire to do so but if God has not gifted them with the ability to preach then they will never be successful.

    I do not know about you, however, I do suspect that you will agree with me, in that when a man has the calling of God to preach, that man then will also want to attend a school of higher learning so that he can learn the deeper things of the Scriptures so that he will be equipped to teach others.

    Being gifted by God to preach does not automatically mean that the person called has just been imputed all the truth of the Scriptures. It takes time to study, learn and know what to say as well as how to say it correctly.

    IMO, one of the reasons for so much false doctrine in the Christian world today is due to the fact that a lot of people never learned Bible truth but instead just made up what they liked as time passed them by.

    If you do not believe that, simply go and read some of the comments on "Christian Forum" web sites.

    It is absolutely astounding what is going on it Christianity today as accepted Bible doctrine when in fact it is more like Anti-Christ theology right out of the pit of hell.


    Then there are some as I believe you will admit, just do it because they saw a way to make a dollar.
     

  5. Sorry If I'm misunderstanding this, but if a preacher's ability to preach can be swayed by the desires of the congregation, then he should not be preaching. Regardless of the congregation, the message of the gospel should always be the same. On the same hand, you can have plenty of people who do not have ears to hear, but the message will still edify the body if the preacher does so obediently towards the word of God.
     
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  6. Some pastors have actually allow the influence of some members for various reasons. They soon end up with a cold or dead church with no growth.

    This I believe is what she is saying
    Blessings
    FCJ
     
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  7. Oh it's all good. I'm just learning about this myself. And realizing that there is more to the spirit realm than we know or understand.

    I believe that there are a lot of good preachers who don't realize that they are being swayed by the congregation, because many have not been taught or don't believe what is really happening in the spiritual realm.

    Do you ever wonder why there are some who are blessed with a service and many who walk away either discouraged or not built up?

    There are a lot of preachers who are not fully relying on the Holy Spirit. They don't know they are supposed to, because they have been taught how to study and proper theological interpretation, and it's all done in the natural realm. I'm not saying anything is wrong with schooling, but a lot of pastors are learning to rely more on the natural realm than the spiritual. A lot are not understanding how to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit, and allow Him to lead them in the preaching and/or worship of the service.

    And there are a lot who, because their congregation is not tithing, they are not financially supported and don't have the time to pray, and listen for the Holy Spirit to help them know what to preach, because they have to work another job.

    Way to many factors involved in one ministering to others, to say who is right or wrong or to even judge. Sometimes you are right that one was not called to preach. But there is a lot not being taught, because it's not believed at the place they went to school.

    Hope this was more clear.
    Blessings
     
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  8. You are absolutely correct my brother!

    There are many people in the world that have their own opinions on what kind of preaching they desire, but the real question is what kind of preaching does God want? There are many in the religious world who are not that concerned about wanting to know how God wants it done because we live in time where people just want feel good about the message they hear and they don’t want to hear how they need to change things in their lives to be right with God. Of course, this is not a new problem because this idea has always been around.

    Isaiah 30:8 .........
    "Now go, write it before them on a tablet, And note it on a scroll, That it may be for time to come, Forever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, Lying children, Children who will not hear the law of the LORD; Who say to the seers, "Do not see," And to the prophets, "Do not prophesy to us right things; Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits. Get out of the way, Turn aside from the path, Cause the Holy One of Israel To cease from before us."
     
  9. You are correct in many ways. I would however point out that in the end, it is the responsibility of the person to know when he is being taught heresy or false teaching. We can not blame our failure to understand the Scriptures on those who teach falsely.

    The Holy Spirit is active in every believer and a man who hears a false teaching can and should know when to accept it or challenge it or simply change to another college or seminary.

    I can tell you as a testimony that when I was in a Presbyterian Seminary, the Rapture, among other doctines was never discussed. I was brought up in a Christian, church environment and heard sermon after sermon on the Rapture but now all of a sudden these professors of religion went out of their way to disprove this teaching. It gave me goose bumps and nights of sleeplessness because in my heart I knew what they were saying was Biblically wrong. That was the Holy Spirit moving in my heart without a doubt. It was incumbent then on me to either accept their error or go to another seminary which is exactly what I did.
     

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