Discussion in 'Doctrinal Discussions' started by ABabeInChrist, Oct 7, 2014.

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  1. One always get back to the main issue "who or what is Jesus the Christ".
    God Himself called Him "Son" ("this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased")
    He stated "God and I are One", No-one comes to the father but by Me",
    and the real kicker "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

    So, He and God are in some way One, yet He refers to God as Father and God refers to Him as Son.
    They both had a relationship before the world was made.

    Unitarianism does not explain any of this in a rational manner, and therefore must be false.
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  2. I trust the men who in the process was making the best english bible translation. And I just looked up about the council on wikipedia. Yes I used wikipedia as a little source and it actually says that "In fact, there is no record of any discussion of the biblical canon at the council at all." You can look at what the source is if you want on there to see why that was put on there.
  3. Actually there is something that you can explain rationally about this. Christ Pre-existed, the followed allowed him to be glorified because He's God and he can do that and since his son was destined to die on the cross why shouldn't he be glorified and given authority over heaven and earth? Also, yea they are one meaning the have the same mind no divisions from each other in thinking which is what were called to do.

    Finally John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." If Jesus is God and they're coequal and both are God then how is the Father GREATER than the Son???

    And you have to remember Jesus was ONLY GIVEN power over heaven and earth. What about everything else that resides in the universe who has power over that?

    And if he's GIVEN that power but is God how can God give something to himself if He's God and then already has authority over it? makes no sense at all I'm sorry but if you truly follow scripture you're going to realize that God the Father is God and only He is the LORD.

    I'm just waiting for someone too to quote 1 Timothy 3:16 lol
  4. Indeed, because the canonization was the subject at the Council of Hippo, not Nicea.
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  5. You are very perceptive and I agree with you.

    Our new friend has claimed to be "Unitarian" but I think we will see that he is probably JW. Just a hunch!
  6. I wonder if you might tell us the truth of the matter and confess that you are actually a Jehovah Witness? Personally I do not care it would just put us all on the same page of communication. Now if you are not a JW, I should tell you that your theology and manner of asking questions about the Lord Jesus is exactly what they would do. So then, what say you???????
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  7. Im a Christian that doesn't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity anymore because scripture proves that Jesus Christ is only the Son of God. And You don't have to be a Jehovah's Witness to be that. Jehovahs witness thinks Jesus was like the angel Michael or something lol I don't believe that hahaha so there is just a difference in doctrine.
  8. "You mentioned that you're not sure you can trust the council on the canonization of the Scriptures so instead you'll turn to the Scriptures."
    Why would you even turn to the Scriptures if you can't trust the council that canonized it?"

    This was your response about when I talked about the Council of Nicea. So you said in that post that the Council of Nicea in this quote was the Council that canonized and then all of a sudden you changed and made it to now the Council of Hippo??? This makes no sense now what you just said...
  9. Do you believe:

    2) There is only one God who reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    This is taken from the forum Statement of Faith.
  10. My mistake for not being clear. The canonization did take place at A council, but I should have corrected that it was not Nicea. I overlooked that important detail. However, it did take place at the council of Hippo. I have mixed the two up in this forum before since those two councils were about 50 years apart, more or less. In fact, I think a lot of people have mixed up the two councils.

    Sorry for the mix-up. I'm not changing anything all of a sudden. History is history.
  11. Do you think the Apocrypha is apart of the Bible?
  12. I prefer to call it the Dueterocanonical books. We've discussed this many times in here before. Yes, I do.
  13. Well the Council of Hippo left out the Apocrypha or Dueterocanonical books in the Canon so why would you still trust them if they left out the books that you believe in?
  14. He IS the Father and manifests himself through His Son and the Holy Ghost.
  15. That's not true. The history is that the Hebrew translation left out those books while the Alexandria area included the books. There was conflict over this prior to the council of Hippo and the Jewish council years before it counted it out. At Hippo, they recognized these books as validly inspired.

    In fact, I believe it was only reaffirmed at Hippo. Prior to that in Rome, it was affirmed.
  16. Not by the the info. that I just looked up about them...
  17. 1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

    If Christ is God then how can he be lower than himself but head of himself at the same time? This makes no sense for the Trinitarian. This Proves the The Father is God and the Son is the Son of God
  18. Did you just do the research within two days or so? I recommend doing much more research on all of early Church history, not selective accounting based on 5 or 6 links you find.
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  19. I just looked it up but honestly I need to be done with this subject it is becoming an off topic issue. If you want to respond to the post above yours I'd be interested in what your response to that scripture is.
  20. The simple answer is that the Son proceeds from the Father. He is of the Father, just like the woman is of the man as Paul says. Christ always did the will of the Father as they were One. It's not like the Father has one perspective and the Son has another.
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