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Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by honestjeenn, Nov 7, 2010.

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  1. We all know that God said this in the bible... But some of the churches are abusing this TITHES thing.

    Some fellowship, sorry guys, don't want to be mean here if your church is something like TITHES and TITHES are always being discussed on TV and on your website and on your church, seem like the church purpose is not about sharing the gospel of GOD but it's more about money and tithing...

    I just can see some poor church member, they don't have the food, no shelter, have little income, but being pushed to give 10 % of their salary, while we can see some pastors and preachers having three houses and vehicles... Seem like, it's unfair... :(

    Well this is just my opinion as what I've observed to some churches...
  2. You are not the only one who has noticed this. Far too many so-called 'congregations' and 'fellowships' pimp tithing and use it as a main source of income. And tithing is not the only one they use. Turn on any 'Christian' stations (I won't call any names), and don't see that you are not bombarded by hundreds of commercials aimed to pick your pockets. We cannot lie and say they do not exist. Far too many wannabe 'pastors', etc. use this as a way to get money. And sadly, there are just as many people out there who are made to feel guilty or who are pushed to feel as if they must or have some obligation to purchase these products or give out their money. I truly doubt that some olive oil in a glass bottle is going to save your life and ward off evil spirits (heathenism, much?), or that a corner of red fleet will get you $20,000 in your checking account and a new house...

    What I really would like to know is if these people have a bit of conscience or even feel guilt? Do they respect God or do they really think he's the giant spaghetti monster that's floating around creating things? That's just puzzling to me. How can someone sit up and say God's name and yet not feel any remorse or any sort of emotion when they use their congregation and lead them astray? I guess because my own heart is not like this, I can't quite comprehend how someone could be so low to do that to not only innocent people, but to God as well. I would be worried I'd get some sort of retribution for my wrongdoings.

    Bien, c'est la vie.

    It is now a choice between:

    1. How many people understand it to be.
    2. How GOD expounds on it which must be the TRUTH.

    * Deuteronomy 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

    * Deuteronomy 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
  5. I totally agree with what you said, honestjeen. Church does abuse it. Thankfully, my church doesn't. Every time they take up tithe and offering, my Pastor always tells us that if God doesn't put it on your heart, then not to give. He has faith in God that He will provide.
    My youth pastor (even though I'm really not qualified to be a youth anymore lol), he always makes a joke hahaha. "We want your credit cards, and all of your money. So when the offer basket comes around, please leave a BLANK check, and your debit cards." And then he OBVIOUSLY says he's joking and explains that God provides for this church. And this is a debt-free church :D
  6. LOL!
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  7. I, too, often wonder whether these people are deluded, and thus sincere in their delusion, of if they are deliberately fleecing the flock knowing full well what they are doing. Too many people don't take enough time to study their own Bibles and learn discernment and just get caught up in some of these "ministries" and personalities. I am fortunate to have a local Christian radio station that features programs focused on learning and living the Bible rather than fundraising. Well, there is one program that focuses on fundraising, but it's for things like Bibles for China, schools in Afghanistan, etc., and it's not tied in with the concept of the tithe.
  8. Hello, nikljones! That thread was closed for a reason. (Or at least it looks closed to me.) We would like to keep it that way! But please feel free to share your opinions on the matter of tithing. We just want to keep all those posts that's in the closed thread THERE and not bring it in a different discussion! Thanks for participating! :)
  9. Acts 5:1-11 does not specifically mention tithes, but it does point out that failing to give money to the church can have serious consequences. Ananias and Sapphira held back some of their money for their own use and three hours later both of them were dead; struck down even as Peter questioned them. Perhaps the modern preacher's constant requests for cash are designed to protect parishioners from a similar fate.
  10. I'm sure that would be news to Bondman and those of us who are still active on that thread. Not a problem though, even though I do share his thoughts on tithing. Couldn't see typing it all out again.
  11. Oh, it's not closed? Then continue lol. I apologize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For some reason, it looked close to me. But I'm still getting used to this new format :p
  12. I've attended a lot of churches... One of my friend's church is something like flashing on TV over and over again after the gathering while we were eating lunch there. Do you just have to focus on that tithing???

    As a christian, what's their real purpose of preaching? Suppose, it's more on about Salvation. have seen some christian fellowship on TV, Benny Hinn Ministries, can't remember some but this is one... On Tv, he always mentioned this seed...don't know what are their real intentions but GOD knows it for sure. I am not in the position to Judge them but kinda frustrating to see some of those who are less fortunate to suffer while their pastors can do something to help them financially...

    I do admire people who just share the words of GOD without anything in return... There are some people who eventually stand at the center of the BUS here(passenger buses) and share their achievements and how GOD works in their lives... They are not collecting anything from people and those are the real sincere servants...
    I maybe in the future, if in case become one of the preacher, of course I will be mentioning this Tithing thing to the people but perhaps, I would just mention it once and not repeteadly... OVER and OVER and OVER again to people... God knows how to prosper a certain people even you're not a Believer, what more if you are one of HIS SINCERE servant...

    I am doing charities, donate clothes, canned good, money when there is some tragedy happening here in the Philippines(as long as I have)... Isn't it fulfilling to give rather than to receive???

    May i share this one here:
    Each of the three times when Jesus specifically mentions tithing, it is as a reprimand to the Pharisees. In Luke 11:42 he says, "But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone." In Matthew 23:23, which includes the comment from Luke, additional words are reported and Jesus declares that the Pharisees are omitting the greater parts of the law, which are judgment, mercy, and faith. He addresses the issue of Pharisees and tithing once more in Luke 18:12, by telling a parable in which the Pharisee brags, "I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess." Jesus ends the parable by saying "Everyone that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
  13. So you're saying that anyone who doesn't sell all their property and bring the entire proceeds of the sale to the church is in danger of losing their life?

    The teaching I've always heard on this passage is that Ananias and Sapphira were giving the impression that they were giving their all, which is what the lie was that Peter was talking about. Another point is that the money given to the apostles was distributed to those as they had need. There is no indication that the money was used for building funds, sound systems (or whatever the 1st century equivalent would be) or that sort of thing. It was all shared in common so that the poor among them had their needs met. I have no axe to grind about church infrastructure per se, but I think that the giving in Acts 2 is a vastly different affair than most of the modern methods and usages of fund drives, especially those of a certain type often found on TV and radio.
  14. I would like to apologise in advance if I will say something that would offend anybody here.

    I would like to share my Church's perspective regarding tithing.

    If I'm out of line, I'm happy to be corrected. You could PM me or a moderator could just delete my post. That's fine with me.

    We believe that tithing was a commandment for all Israel:

    Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments

    That's Mal 4:4, few verses from Mal 3:10.

    And the people who will receive the tithes are sons of Levi:

    And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham
    Heb 7:5

    But the Levites are no more. The priesthood has been changed. Same thing with the law of tithing:

    For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law
    Heb 7:12

    Paul clarified what the new law would be:

    Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
    2 Cor 9:7

    That's it. That's my Church's 2 cents.
  15. I noticed that you realised The Inner Room is not closed. (I've simply stopped writing actual messages because my health is so poor, which Inner Roomies know and accept).

    People can come and read my Tithing Message any time they like
    http://www.christianforumsite.com/posts/73158 without affecting this thread, which I think was maybe your concern. I have a Teaching gift from the Holy Spirit and my messages are there to set forth simply what the New Testament truly says - thus

    pure and critical Scripture truth to the best of my abilities, WITHOUT any denominational bias.

    Thanks, and bless you heaps, Katie!!

    - BM
  16. After a lot of messing around with this new-fangled forum program I finally got my post up. But it managed to then duplicate the above post here - so I've had to wipe it out... *sigh!*

    - BM
  17. I don't know whether many of us have read the following that, perhaps, would change our perception regarding the "inspired words of God" in the Holy Bible. On this Thread the topic on "TITHING."

    1. Jesus Christ demonstrated this when He talked to the JEWS communicating with them in their Hebrew language. But they cannot understand each other. Let's take the case of the following:

    * John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

    What the JEWS understood about the word "temple."

    * John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

    Look at the result:

    * Matthew 27:39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

    * Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

    But to His DISCIPLES who waited for the "intended meaning" of temple:

    * John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

    Look at the result:

    John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
  18. So may i ask you guys specially those who are pastors here...

    Are you doing the tithing? As this was written and being preached in the church...
    If so, the church funds or people's tithes are for the church or for our GOD... How you guys fulfill this TITHES LAW? If have work aside from being a pastor, did you able to do your part giving too God 10 % of your salary from your work?

    If you don't have the work aside from being a pastor, how did you do this Tithes thing to fulfill what was written in the bible? Just asking... Hope you don't mind me asking..
  19. Hi honestjeenn!

    Tithing was part of the Old Testament law. All of that ceased at Calvary because Jesus fulfilled the law there! Therefore, today, because we ALL live in New Testament time, there is no tithe! It is finished forever (plus those who do tithe are doing nothing even vaguely resembling OT tithing anyway!)

    In the New Testament - for today - it speaks of cheerful giving (never "must" or "expected" giving) and freewill giving. That is, you may give whatever you wish to God at any time and for any good reason, e.g., the church, missions, a Christian in deep need, whatever. Give 1/15th of your income, or 1/5, or irregular. If you give to the church, and they do need some obviously, you need to know that Western churches give less than 1% of their income to reach those who have never heard the Gospel - thus wilfully DISOBEYING Jesus' command for us to go into the world and preach the Gospel. Matt 28:19-20. And so all of our giving goes to reaching the MOST UNREACHED. If you wish to do this also, go to http://gfa.org and have a good look round to see all that you may do! Exciting!!

    So please DO give to the Lord, but ensure that your money is doing what Jesus said to!


    - BM

    Gospel for Asia URL used by leadership permission.
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